TxRover Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Just because a plane Putin uses sometimes was spotted flying west doesn't mean he was on it, same as Lukashenko's and his family supposedly skedaddling to Turkey. Safest place for him is in the Kremlin. Disagree. The military and the FSB jointly control Moscow, and then would control Putin if they changed sides. On his plane it’s his handpicked guards only. Take the plane to a retreat with a runway…expect that a loyalist in the military or FSB will get you word if they roll over and are moving to grab you, and be ready to bolt. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musketeer Gripweed Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 I take it the mercenary army are using the motorway as most of them ain't getting on no aeroplane? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 19 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: Presumably he would be doing deals before setting foot in any other country. The question is, what would he have to offer..... Not much, other than calling in a few favours. Places lke Saudi seem to welcome deposed dictators and the like. I did wonder if Lukashenko stopping his plane at Moscow was to offer Putin a lift. I guess he must have refused. "Whaaaaat ? Spend the rest of my life in some desert shithole, drinking from a dried up wadi, not a drop of vodka in sight. No fanks....". There's always his chum Assad in Syria, I suppose..? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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welshbairn Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, TxRover said: Disagree. The military and the FSB jointly control Moscow, and then would control Putin if they changed sides. On his plane it’s his handpicked guards only. Take the plane to a retreat with a runway…expect that a loyalist in the military or FSB will get you word if they roll over and are moving to grab you, and be ready to bolt. That always goes badly, remember Ceaușescu? Anyway, him and Prigozhin are old pals from their Petersburg days, carving up the protection money and smuggling rackets. Worst that could happen he retires to one of his stately homes, where else could he go? Edited June 24, 2023 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nkomo-A-Gogo Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Herc said: Ne ne ne na na na na noo noo noo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarapoa Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Ironically the last chapter so far in my holiday read out here on the west coast was this author travelling from Moscow to Rostov-on-Don. Switch on the media and P&B for first time in a couple of days and now I’m following the journey in reverse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Fascists scrapping with fascists, think I'll get a pizza in and some cans. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 8 minutes ago, TxRover said: Disagree. The military and the FSB jointly control Moscow, and then would control Putin if they changed sides. On his plane it’s his handpicked guards only. Take the plane to a retreat with a runway…expect that a loyalist in the military or FSB will get you word if they roll over and are moving to grab you, and be ready to bolt. It's a tough decision. Hide out in a bunker, and you look cowardly, the enemy can claim you've abidicated and they're the legit rulers, and there's a chance the coup plotters just sever your communications with your loyalists and you're helpless. Stay put, and you're within grabbing range of whatever military unit has defected to the other side. There's no right answer - or at least, you don't find out the right answer until you pick the wrong one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shizzlemanizzle Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 32 minutes ago, AyrshireTon said: My father landed in Turkey yesterday and is staying for a week, so it can't be that difficult. Your da>Putin. Also your da 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, itzdrk said: Fascists scrapping with fascists, think I'll get a pizza in and some cans. No fancy a fash supper? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Just now, Bairnardo said: No fancy a fash supper? Battered fash, delicious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molotov Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Football factory has a lot to answer for. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Reports that Lukashenko claims to have persuaded Wagner to stand down, but we'll have to hear from the Wagner group first before believing it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Aim Here said: Reports that Lukashenko claims to have persuaded Wagner to stand down, but we'll have to hear from the Wagner group first before believing it. 2 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Prigozhin has already stated that these talks didn't end well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loonytoons Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Prigozhin has surely burnt all his bridges. And de-escalation now will involve him de-escalating out of a 20 story window. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClydeTon Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 This is who the Wagner guy thinks he is, isn't it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Wagner to turn back. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 See there's video of diggers ripping up the road to Moscow 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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