coprolite Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 12 minutes ago, Left Back said: It's the failing to notify the secretary of state that's a criminal offence and he's still claiming they had no obligation to do this in the UK. Stick him in front of a jury and see how he gets on with that argument. They don't have to do that. Some Tory minister claims they do but they dont. Seafarers directive from 2018, to comply with an EU directive, changed that to a requirement to notify a competent authority of the flag state. I believe that's malta for p&o's ferries. Breaking the consultation rule entitles employees to civil compensation. They paid some, which they'll claim is adequate 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEADOWXI Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 That p***k is literally sitting in front of MPs and saying I broke your laws, but your laws and you are now so shit not only don't we care we would do it again and there is nothing you can do about it. And the facts that they didn't do it to their Dutch or French employees must tell these muppets something, and that before the abhorrence of the rates of pay isn't properly tackled , it a sickening nonsense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 19 minutes ago, MEADOWXI said: That p***k is literally sitting in front of MPs and saying I broke your laws, but your laws and you are now so shit not only don't we care we would do it again and there is nothing you can do about it. And the facts that they didn't do it to their Dutch or French employees must tell these muppets something, and that before the abhorrence of the rates of pay isn't properly tackled , it a sickening nonsense. Yes, but if it is people / papers in England moaning then perhaps they need to reflect on their own actions? They fucking voted for Tories, did they expect laws enacted which protect workers? This can hardly come as a surprise..................... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 3 hours ago, MEADOWXI said: That p***k is literally sitting in front of MPs and saying I broke your laws, but your laws and you are now so shit not only don't we care we would do it again and there is nothing you can do about it. And the facts that they didn't do it to their Dutch or French employees must tell these muppets something, and that before the abhorrence of the rates of pay isn't properly tackled , it a sickening nonsense. If the UK brought in legislation to comply with EU law and it allowed the company to act in that way then surely they could do the same with EU workers but chose not to. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 If the UK brought in legislation to comply with EU law and it allowed the company to act in that way then surely they could do the same with EU workers but chose not to."If" doing some seriously heavy lifting there.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 1 minute ago, WhiteRoseKillie said: 11 minutes ago, strichener said: If the UK brought in legislation to comply with EU law and it allowed the company to act in that way then surely they could do the same with EU workers but chose not to. "If" doing some seriously heavy lifting there.. Remove the word "if" then as it a statement of fact. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Remove the word "if" then as it a statement of fact.So, what you're saying is that the UK government enacted legislation to comply with the EU TWO YEARS after the vote to leave and reclaim control? Aye, that makes a lot of sense. Whatever the reason, EU compliance was not it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 (edited) 53 minutes ago, strichener said: If the UK brought in legislation to comply with EU law and it allowed the company to act in that way then surely they could do the same with EU workers but chose not to. Unless Dutch and French laws have greater employee protection than the UK. Edited March 24, 2022 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 The worst thing about that testimony is the p***k from p&o going "we know we broke the law" If nothing happens to them then we are all up the shit creek 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Grant Shapps on TV this morning saying the guy should resign because of how he came across in parliament. Just counting the fucks given by P&O Ferries ... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 22 minutes ago, doulikefish said: The worst thing about that testimony is the p***k from p&o going "we know we broke the law" If nothing happens to them then we are all up the shit creek It happens all the time, but not on the scale of this fiasco. As long as the company adequately compensate there's not much that can be done. Maybe a few of the employees will reject the offer and sue and see if they can make some kind of special case against P&O but I'm not sure how as employment law is pretty prescriptive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 14 hours ago, strichener said: Remove the word "if" then as it a statement of fact. Problem is EU legislation sets minimum standards so individual member states are free to go beyond those. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac.i Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, scottsdad said: Grant Shapps on TV this morning saying the guy should resign because of how he came across in parliament. Just counti P&O actions are awful and the guy came across terribly however, if we are using how folk come across in Parliament as a yardstick then Shapps should start closer to home with his list for resignation.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Anyone else utterly shocked by the Tories being massively critical of the behaviour of a CEO in front of Parliament, but not giving a f**k about their own party leader's efforts? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 24 minutes ago, scottsdad said: Grant Shapps on TV this morning saying the guy should resign because of how he came across in parliament. Just counting the fucks given by P&O Ferries ... Tories saying folk should resign for they way the come across is completely laughable. The vast majority of their MPs would be for the bin if that was the yard stick. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 P&O almost certainly built in fines/compensation etc to their cost analysis of doing this. They will still come out way ahead in terms of profits. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 15 hours ago, WhiteRoseKillie said: So, what you're saying is that the UK government enacted legislation to comply with the EU TWO YEARS after the vote to leave and reclaim control? Aye, that makes a lot of sense. Whatever the reason, EU compliance was not it. We were in the EU https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2018/9780111164334/pdfs/ukdsiem_9780111164334_en.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi_rcynieH2AhWzoFwKHThcDfsQFnoECBAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw26zNccpLfbitdJ_dyHXa3Q 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 (edited) 23 hours ago, WhiteRoseKillie said: So, what you're saying is that the UK government enacted legislation to comply with the EU TWO YEARS after the vote to leave and reclaim control? Aye, that makes a lot of sense. Whatever the reason, EU compliance was not it. You are making yourself look silly here. We had to incorporate directives into UK statute right through the transition period. So yes EU compliance was the reason. ETA: I see the post above from Coprolite gives the reasons and unsurprisingly includes EU directives. Edited March 25, 2022 by strichener 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Surprising to see WRK twisting everything to blame the Tory government, even when they’re not at fault here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 You are making yourself look silly here. We had to incorporate directives into UK statute right through the transition period. So yes EU compliance was the reason. ETA: I see the post above from Coprolite gives the reasons and unsurprisingly includes EU directives. Surprising to see WRK twisting everything to blame the Tory government, even when they’re not at fault here. Yep, Johnson's Tories - Champions of the workers. They complied, ok. No great noise made until this shit blew up though, as their supporters would not have been best pleased at continued bending of the knee to Brussels.Strange it's only the UK workers being fucked over, don't you think? LB - how far do you think they will push for realistic compensation for UK workers, and how severely will the cűnts at P&O be punished - if at all? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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