LongTimeLurker Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 On 11/04/2022 at 14:02, B75 said: Question for all those who say the SoS should be at tier 7 not tier 6. Where then do the SoS champions go? If they stay SoS then the league isn't part of the pyramid. Go west? What if Campbelltown finish bottom of the WoS, they're hardly going to go in the SoS. Same applies if SoS champs go east, can't expect Edinburgh College to go south. Simple solution leave SoS at tier 6. Think the way to do it would be to only have 32 or 48 clubs in the WoS (think 32 is better but no strong opinion) and move the rest to two more local leagues that would run in parallel with the SoS at tier 8 or 9. That way you should avoid fixtures like Campbeltown vs Newtown Stewart and would have the SoS champion being automatically promoted each season into a more appropriate level with managable travel. Think we are stuck with what's there now though. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 OK. This won't happen but ........... With the WoS assumed to be much more difficult to win than the SoS it could make sense for some current WoS clubs which are keen to move up to the LL to switch to the SoS, if that league would allow it. It wouldn't be much fun during the season with large margin victories seeming to be likely routinely but it would get two west clubs into the LL play-offs at the end of most seasons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 8 hours ago, Dev said: OK. This won't happen but ........... With the WoS assumed to be much more difficult to win than the SoS it could make sense for some current WoS clubs which are keen to move up to the LL to switch to the SoS, if that league would allow it. It wouldn't be much fun during the season with large margin victories seeming to be likely routinely but it would get two west clubs into the LL play-offs at the end of most seasons. Yes, teams in the likes of South and East Ayrshire or South Lanarkshire should be moved across. Great idea. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 The SoSfl has been going since 1946/47. Why would they want to give up the status and history to become a feeder to the two year old Wosfl? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 (edited) Doubt it will happen but as things stand there is near zero probability of an SoS club ever being promoted and when there was more of a chance a few seasons back rumour has it that Wigtown deliberately avoided being champion one season because they wouldn't have been able to cope with promotion to the LL. As a feeder to the WoS they would at least have something realistic to play for each season in terms of progression involving promotion into a division they have reasonably good transport links with. Edited April 13, 2022 by LongTimeLurker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Glenconner said: The SoSfl has been going since 1946/47. Why would they want to give up the status and history to become a feeder to the two year old Wosfl? It happily became a feeder to a two-year old Lowland League - it doesn't make any real difference to the league's status or history. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurcer Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 2 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Yes, teams in the likes of South and East Ayrshire or South Lanarkshire should be moved across. Great idea. You are right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 46 minutes ago, craigkillie said: It happily became a feeder to a two-year old Lowland League - it doesn't make any real difference to the league's status or history. LL forum for this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 1 hour ago, LongTimeLurker said: Doubt it will happen but as things stand there is near zero probability of an SoS club ever being promoted and when there was more of a chance a few seasons back rumour has it that Wigtown deliberately avoided being champion one season because they wouldn't have been able to cope with promotion to the LL. As a feeder to the WoS they would at least have something realistic to play for each season in terms of progression involving promotion into a division they have reasonably good transport links with. Interesting answer, not exactly sure what it means. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, Glenconner said: LL forum for this. Check the title of the thread mate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, Glenconner said: Interesting answer, not exactly sure what it means. I'll see if I can find Rab McGlinchey. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennie Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 21 hours ago, Dev said: OK. This won't happen but ........... With the WoS assumed to be much more difficult to win than the SoS it could make sense for some current WoS clubs which are keen to move up to the LL to switch to the SoS, if that league would allow it. It wouldn't be much fun during the season with large margin victories seeming to be likely routinely but it would get two west clubs into the LL play-offs at the end of most seasons. Who do you think would want to risk that? Let's imagine 2 WoSFL clubs left, remember it needs to be clubs with a license, only one can win the SoSFL, that leaves the other team in the south for another season. Plus the winner of the SoSFL might not win the play-offs and that also means another season in the South. Unless they re-apply to join the WoSFL, which would see them in the bottom division if they got back in. A big risk in my opinion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 3 hours ago, Kennie said: Who do you think would want to risk that? Let's imagine 2 WoSFL clubs left, remember it needs to be clubs with a license, only one can win the SoSFL, that leaves the other team in the south for another season. Plus the winner of the SoSFL might not win the play-offs and that also means another season in the South. Unless they re-apply to join the WoSFL, which would see them in the bottom division if they got back in. A big risk in my opinion. Who do you think would want to risk that? No-one! Would it even happen if the LL opened up promotion to two or three Tier 6 champions clubs? Then maybe but only if all of the Ayrshire clubs moved over together. If it went to two champions plus a play-off between third bottom in the LL and the third placed Tier 6 champion club (from their play-off) then that could work - three clubs potentially moving up each season would certainly speed up the re-balancing of the pyramid beneath the SPFL. Unfortunately this ain't looking likely either right now! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 4 hours ago, Kennie said: Who do you think would want to risk that? Let's imagine 2 WoSFL clubs left, remember it needs to be clubs with a license, only one can win the SoSFL, that leaves the other team in the south for another season. Plus the winner of the SoSFL might not win the play-offs and that also means another season in the South. Unless they re-apply to join the WoSFL, which would see them in the bottom division if they got back in. A big risk in my opinion. May I ask if the WoSFL have lobbied the SFA about this bottleneck situation? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 17 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Yes, teams in the likes of South and East Ayrshire or South Lanarkshire should be moved across. Great idea. If people cared about an even(ish) population split then this works: Inverclyde, Renfrewshire(s), Argyll & Bute, Dunbartonshire(s) and Glasgow as WoSFL Ayrshire(s), Lanarkshire(s) and Dumfries & Galloway as SoSFL Stirling, Clackmannanshire, Fife, Borders, Lothian(s) and Edinburgh as EoSFL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramid Watcher Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 (edited) 37 minutes ago, jimbaxters said: May I ask if the WoSFL have lobbied the SFA about this bottleneck situation? The SFA will not do anything to interfere in a member led organisation, otherwise they would have stepped in to tell the SPFL to open up. Edited April 14, 2022 by Pyramid Watcher 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Pyramid Watcher said: The SFA will not do anything to interfere in a member led organisation, otherwise they would have stepped in to tell the SPFL to open up. Ok well if it's not the SFA, who is in charge of it? ETA- Are we not always being fed the line that the SFA intervened to insist on a top league in the WoSFL? I may be mistaken though as it's a bag o' washin? Edited April 14, 2022 by jimbaxters 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramid Watcher Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 1 hour ago, jimbaxters said: Ok well if it's not the SFA, who is in charge of it? ETA- Are we not always being fed the line that the SFA intervened to insist on a top league in the WoSFL? I may be mistaken though as it's a bag o' washin? They are, but they have no history to speak of in making radical alterations to existing member organisations. They may have intervened in the set-up of the WoSFL however that wasn’t an established organisation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 2 hours ago, jimbaxters said: Ok well if it's not the SFA, who is in charge of it? ETA- Are we not always being fed the line that the SFA intervened to insist on a top league in the WoSFL? I may be mistaken though as it's a bag o' washin? They can't really dictate. When people go down that hypothetical route it usually ends up with the threat of pulling refs if they don't get what they want. Things like the WoSFL were more soft power moves. We won't sanction the competition if we don't get this minor tweak. It's not something that would have broken Scottish football if the clubs/leagues said no. The pyramid would have continued as we knew it. The West Region would have continued. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackie Gold Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 Oh dear what have you done DL. I have'nt seen some of these posters since we were involved in the Junior/Pyramid debates. My eyes are fecking bleeding. Will definately give this crock of shit a wide berth because no matter how much they debate the LL self preservation society are always going to do what they want. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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