The Queen of the South thread

[Slipmat]

11 minutes ago, David Fernández said:

Had a look the Facebook page and was surprised that your reserve lineup included Quitongo, Wilson, Ruth and Connelly, are these players injured or have they completely fallen out if the picture?

The games I watched Queens past season on the Friday night games I thought Lee Connelly was a stand out in the Championship, what's happened to him this season? (Wouldn't mind him at Airdrie) 

Are players like Connelly/Wilson etc on two year contracts or longer? If that's the case it could end up being a Falkirkesque situation that you're having to keep a hold of players who aren't good enough.

With the players you have it's a shambles that you're in this position, I thought you'd be at least amongst the play offs.

Wilson and Connelly coming back from injury, Ruth a rare first team starter and Quitongo told he is free to leave (along with Ciaran McKenna and ex-Livi superstar Gavin Reilly).  McGrory also playing having lost his place in the big team for the past couple of weeks.

Connelly has been disappointing this season.  In and out of the team due to a mixture of injuries and seemingly not meeting the previous manager's expectations of him.  Hope we can keep hold of him if he shows glimpses of last season's form in the remaining third of the season, but I've a feeling he's probably scunnered enough to be looking elsewhere for next season.

Anybody know who our trialist was?

Edited February 21, 2023 by Slipmat

[Skyline Drifter]

39 minutes ago, Greenacres said:

The pitch is going to be similar to Falkirk which is a excellent.

Cost £300,000 think we have a pitch fund of £160,000 so  still to find  £140,000 .

My worry is we are again for this season going to lose a six figure sum that is even after the money we made from the Rangers game .

We have money in the bank but for how much longer already for next season are £140,000 down to pay for the pitch.

We don't have a pitch fund of £160,000, you've misunderstood the meaning of a provision in the accounts. In cash terms there's no "fund". It will cost £300k or so. There will be some grant funding though.

15 minutes ago, David Fernández said:

Had a look the Facebook page and was surprised that your reserve lineup included Quitongo, Wilson, Ruth and Connelly, are these players injured or have they completely fallen out if the picture?

The games I watched Queens past season on the Friday night games I thought Lee Connelly was a stand out in the Championship, what's happened to him this season? (Wouldn't mind him at Airdrie) 

Are players like Connelly/Wilson etc on two year contracts or longer? If that's the case it could end up being a Falkirkesque situation that you're having to keep a hold of players who aren't good enough.

With the players you have it's a shambles that you're in this position, I thought you'd be at least amongst the play offs.

Connelly has been injured and isn't properly fit yet. Wilson is just back from a month out injured and came on as a sub for first team on Saturday but needs games.

Quitongo, like McKenna and Reilly has been told he can leave so yes, they are out of the picture.

Ruth didn't get on the pitch on Saturday so was used today. I think most who were on the bench on Saturday played today.

Wilson and Reilly have two year contracts. None of the others you mention do.

Edited February 21, 2023 by Skyline Drifter

[Skyline Drifter]

2 minutes ago, Slipmat said:

Wilson and Connelly coming back from injury, Ruth a rare first team starter and Quitongo told he is free to leave (along with Ciaran McKenna and ex-Livi superstar Gavin Reilly).  McGrory also playing having lost his place in the big team for the past couple of weeks.

Connelly has been disappointing this season.  In and out of the team due to a mixture of injuries and seemingly not meeting the previous manager's expectations of him.  Hope we can keep hold of him if he shows glimpses of last season's form in the remaining third of the season, but I've a feeling he's probably scunnered enough to be looking elsewhere for next season.

Anybody know who our trialist was?

Sorry for the repitition. Your post wasn't there when I started typing.

Trialist was the same player who was a Trialist v Motherwell a couple of weeks ago. Not my place to name him but he was pretty widely named then.

[SUPERSOUTH]

3 hours ago, Slipmat said:

Anybody know who our trialist was?

Shea Kelly

[Monkey Tennis]

On 20/02/2023 at 22:00, Grant228 said:

Not knowing what you work as, I'd hazard a guess that there's some aspect of your job where someone cares about your output, which is why you'll be paid a wage. Now it may not be in the public but someone, somewhere probably wants you to do that job well, would it be acceptable for them to out you if you done poorly? Would it make you perform better? 

 

I'm really not sure it's an ego thing to say players can't accept criticism, but like all lines of work, and in life really there's a time and a place. To become a professional footballer they'll have had loads of critique over the years on the training ground. However who would react better to it being public? 

 

I'm not sure where the logic comes from that professional lower league Scottish footballers on 3-400 quid a week shouldn't so much as become immune to the abuse they receive from the stands and there own manager, but instead become better from it? It defies all logic. 

 

And while I may not have watched your games, was it beyond all hole and expectation that Bartley might have gotten a tune out of these players? Would it be acceptable for a player to come out and say "His trainings pish, there's no preparation and his team talks are gash"? 

Good post.

I think the idea that adopting such a bold line is all about appeasing the fans, is pretty valid.

The evidence on here would suggest it's largely worked.

 

 

 

I'm fed up with most of our players as well, but I feel that Bartley's gone too far in the ferocity of his criticism.

 

[Alex Nesovic's Barmy Army]

13 hours ago, Skyline Drifter said:

 

Trialist was the same player who was a Trialist v Motherwell a couple of weeks ago. Not my place to name him but he was pretty widely named then.

How has he done?

[Fae_the_'briggs]

1 hour ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Good post.

I think the idea that adopting such a bold line is all about appeasing the fans, is pretty valid.

The evidence on here would suggest it's largely worked.

 

 

 

I'm fed up with most of our players as well, but I feel that Bartley's gone too far in the ferocity of his criticism.

 

Do a lot of Managers not regularly come out with the "attitudes must change" or "players need to take a look at themselves or they're no good to me"  type statements after a defeat? Maybe Bartley has been a bit strong but I think the reaction to this is a bit OTT. 

[SUPERSOUTH]

31 minutes ago, Alex Nesovic's Barmy Army said:

How has he done?

Doesn't look fully fit, maybe one for next season.. Saying that looks no better than what we have on the books the now. 

[Otis Blue]

2 hours ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Good post.

I think the idea that adopting such a bold line is all about appeasing the fans, is pretty valid.

The evidence on here would suggest it's largely worked.

 

 

 

I'm fed up with most of our players as well, but I feel that Bartley's gone too far in the ferocity of his criticism.

 

Imagine the "ferocity" of Bairns or Pars posts on here had their sides been currently sitting third bottom of L1 and only capable of beating Clyde, Peterhead and Edinburgh.  In such event I doubt they would have been averse to McGlynn or McPake criticising their players in a post match interview following yet another woeful second half collapse.  Easy to be calm and objective when everything is going swimmingly, eh?  When the boot's on the other foot though ... teapots calling kettles etc ...

[Skyline Drifter]

10 hours ago, SUPERSOUTH said:

Shea Kelly

Oooh, it's good, but it's not right.

1 hour ago, Alex Nesovic's Barmy Army said:

How has he done?

Not a clue. I've been at work during the two games he's played. I've no idea if he's training with us in between or not, nor even if it's the 1st team or Reserves he's training with.

[HoBNob]

16 minutes ago, Otis Blue said:

Imagine the "ferocity" of Bairns or Pars posts on here had their sides been currently sitting third bottom of L1 and only capable of beating Clyde, Peterhead and Edinburgh.  In such event I doubt they would have been averse to McGlynn or McPake criticising their players in a post match interview following yet another woeful second half collapse.  Easy to be calm and objective when everything is going swimmingly, eh?  When the boot's on the other foot though ... teapots calling kettles etc ...

Oh, on here I'd be absolutely seething. However I still wouldn't want my manager crucifying the players in public, I said earlier but it was a fear of mine with Hughes. It just doesn't achieve anything. 

[SUPERSOUTH]

17 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said:

Oooh, it's good, but it's not right.

Not a clue. I've been at work during the two games he's played. I've no idea if he's training with us in between or not, nor even if it's the 1st team or Reserves he's training with.

SHEA SCALLY typo.... 

[AJ77]

Shocked Rico Quitongo is out of the picture!!

How on earth he got another full time club after us is beyond me, bad bad player.

[Monkey Tennis]

2 hours ago, Otis Blue said:

Imagine the "ferocity" of Bairns or Pars posts on here had their sides been currently sitting third bottom of L1 and only capable of beating Clyde, Peterhead and Edinburgh.  In such event I doubt they would have been averse to McGlynn or McPake criticising their players in a post match interview following yet another woeful second half collapse.  Easy to be calm and objective when everything is going swimmingly, eh?  When the boot's on the other foot though ... teapots calling kettles etc ...

Yeah, but I support Queens.

[Skyline Drifter]

1 hour ago, AJ77 said:

Shocked Rico Quitongo is out of the picture!!

How on earth he got another full time club after us is beyond me, bad bad player.

To be honest I think he's done ok for us. Manager's looked at the squad and decided he's not needed but other than a daft red card against Montrose for retaliation he's not done an awful lot obviously wrong. I'd say he's been a 6 or 7 out of 10 most weeks he played, which was mostly early season. Stephen Hendrie's better probably which is why he's not getting a game, but Stephen Hendrie's also had a couple of absolutely horrible games (Alloa and Falkirk away) whereas I couldn't specifically point at one for Rico.

[Otis Blue]

2 hours ago, Grant228 said:

Oh, on here I'd be absolutely seething. However I still wouldn't want my manager crucifying the players in public, I said earlier but it was a fear of mine with Hughes. It just doesn't achieve anything. 

You know, I really do get the whole team-building thing and how that approach would avoid public shaming and keep these things behind closed doors.  But there's a couple of relevant points here:

1 - Managers get microphones shoved in their faces 15 mins after games, that's part of the professional game.  But after a really bad defeat - at a time where they're probably inwardly seething with their team, it takes a lot of experience to stay outwardly calm and not to express their true thoughts.  Now Bartley is clearly quite inexperienced as a manager - but he has at least made it publicly clear (to the fans and his team) what he will and won't accept.

2 - It could be argued that professional sports such as football are difficult to compare to say more "normal" forms of employment.  Professional players have to perform well in front of a paying public, if they don't they don't play any more - and if they have aspirations to play at high levels then they will be performing in front of say 20, 40 or even 60 thousand spectators.  That's a pretty tough environment and one where public performance assessment/criticism comes with the territory, it just can't be avoided.  Professional players know this when they take the job and they need to be thick skinned to survive such a work place.  So I'm not sure that we can simply make comparisons across the broad employment spectrum.

[Otis Blue]

47 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Yeah, but I support Queens.

Aye, very good - but my OP was responding to a post from a Pars fan (and an earlier one from a Bairns fan).

Edited February 22, 2023 by Otis Blue

[Skyline Drifter]

1 minute ago, Otis Blue said:

1 - Managers get microphones shoved in their faces 15 mins after games, that's part of the professional game.  But after a really bad defeat - at a time where they're probably inwardly seething with their team, it takes a lot of experience to stay outwardly calm and not to express their true thoughts.  Now Bartley is clearly quite inexperienced as a manager - but he has at least made it publicly clear (to the fans and his team) what he will and won't accept.

He's very media savvy though. He's been doing tv for years, he's been doing post match stuff for Livingston too. And he repeated pretty much every word of it at the AGM on Monday night too. He knew exactly what he was saying and did so deliberately. If the suggestion here was that if he'd had more time he'd have been less critical then I don't think it holds any water.

For what it's worth I don't think what he said was all that bad anyway. He said it wasn't good enough for the standard he sets. It was hardly John Hughes at St Mirren levels.

[Otis Blue]

33 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said:

He's very media savvy though. He's been doing tv for years, he's been doing post match stuff for Livingston too. And he repeated pretty much every word of it at the AGM on Monday night too. He knew exactly what he was saying and did so deliberately. If the suggestion here was that if he'd had more time he'd have been less critical then I don't think it holds any water.

For what it's worth I don't think what he said was all that bad anyway. He said it wasn't good enough for the standard he sets. It was hardly John Hughes at St Mirren levels.

Yes, fair point re his media experience.  I don't know why some think he was so over the top - he called it as he saw it.

[Diamonds are Forever]

2 hours ago, AJ77 said:

Shocked Rico Quitongo is out of the picture!!

How on earth he got another full time club after us is beyond me, bad bad player.

 

Genuinely can't think of a player who I've seen play for Airdrie who has had a worse positional sense. He was always on the wrong side of his man. His pace bailed him out a few times, but when balls were played across the goal he had no clue where his man was. He's not terrible on the ball, but offers next to nothing on it.

Only saw him for 45 minutes this season in the game at Palmerston where he was subbed at half-time after virtually every attack in a dominant half came down his side.

He was comfortably the worst of Murray's signings last year and like you I was surprised another full-time side took him on. The off the field stuff must have have had an effect last season so it's maybe fair that WG thought that a new start would do him good. On the other hand he'd already played 9 games before the QP match and my opinion at that point was exactly as it is now, that being that he's not really good enough at this level.