Monarchy debate/discussion

[RedEd]

8 hours ago, Antlion said:

This, in addition to him appointing Camilla and Andrew as head “councillors of state” (to do nothing useful in his place when he’s on holiday), is magic.

 

I don't know if he any choice in that. The monarch's spouse and the next four in line to the throne (as long as they meet qualifying criteria e.g being an adult) are appointed.

[Antlion]

11 minutes ago, RedEd said:

I don't know if he any choice in that. The monarch's spouse and the next four in line to the throne (as long as they meet qualifying criteria e.g being an adult) are appointed.

Bloody unelected bureaucrats! From what I understand, the monarch appoints their precedence from a pool of aristocrats in the line of succession.

Charles already abandoning his supposed desire to modernise…

 

Edited September 14, 2022 by Antlion

[Suspect Device]

Are they really arresting anyone carrying a blank sheet of paper just in case they write Not my King on it?

 

 

 

 

[scottsdad]

9 hours ago, The_Kincardine said:

Hey my degree was in theology so I have experience of 'ancient scripture' and in trying (badly) to learn the Greek of the New Testament.  The AoU is absolutely nothing like 'ancient scripture' and the meaning is plain.  On April 30th 1707 we had two kingdoms:  SCO and ENG.  On May 1st 1707 we had one:  GB.

It isn't hard!

The Clearing system strikes again. 

[GiGi]

"The royal family must modernise" 

Alright let's get rid of hereditary titles and special exemptions from the law.

"No, not like that!"

Edited September 14, 2022 by GiGi

[coprolite]

1 hour ago, Antlion said:

Bloody unelected bureaucrats! From what I understand, the monarch appoints their precedence from a pool of aristocrats in the line of succession.

Charles already abandoning his supposed desire to modernise…

 

 

2 minutes ago, GiGi said:

"The royal family must modernise" 

Alright let's get rid of hereditary titles and special exemptions from the law.

"No, not like that!"

You can't modernise a monarchy. If it was modern, it wouldn't be a monarchy. 

The other European monarchies that are clinging on aren't really modern. They're more vestigial. Like humans have a modern tail. 

[Chapelhall chap]

19 hours ago, BFTD said:

I know, yet there it was, sandwiched in between stuff like He Who Would Valiant Be and Autumn Days. I guess maybe our piano teacher just liked to bash away at it between classes.

Thinking about it, we'd have to sing Guantanamera sometimes too, despite nobody knowing the words. We'd all just make noises roughly equivalent to what Mrs Pianoteacher was trilling. Could've been the lyrics to a Cannibal Corpse song for all we knew.

Edit: it definitely wasn't; this was before the Death Metal boom.

Interesting chat on this. For years I thought Little boxes had been written by Pete Seeger, given his socialist leanings, only to find out it was written by Malvina Reynolds. She also wrote Morning town ride, which must have some hidden meanings.

[Salt n Vinegar]

2 hours ago, williemillersmoustache said:

 

These posts are linked. "Will Charles be shite at Monarching?" "Ocht he just lost his mum"

Of course I sympathise with him and his family but there is nothing objectively wrong about laughing at the guy losing his shit at writing paraphernalia, twice in as many days.

Personally my time for Charles evaporated (or was diluted thousands and thousands of times so the concentration of my sympathy was down to single atoms per litre) when we learned he abused his position to lobby government so the NHS would provide fucking homeopathy on the NHS.

I wonder if he thought his mum should be treated with 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000001% solutions of chamomile and haliborange. 

 

I'd be very surprised if Billy and Kate paid any attention to Charlie's views on homeopathy if their kids were ill. Can't take any risks with the succession.  Best to stick to "thoughts and prayers" instead... 

[The_Kincardine]

2 hours ago, Leith Green said:

Probably because we also heard what King Charles said during his speech - specifically relating to Scotlands claim of right.

That is also "part of Britains archive" .

hth

Scotland's CoR was to remove a Catholic king and replace him with the joint, Protestant monarchs of England.  Nothing more than that.

hth

[DA Baracus]

12 hours ago, BFTD said:

I loved the revelation that auld Liz used to set her solicitors on our parliamentary representatives whenever they were proposing legislation that might have affected her personal estate. In another country, you could make a decent comedy out of Brenda throwing tantrums at the Prime Ministers of the day, but it would be sacrilege in Britain.

One of the reasons she was an arsehole.

[williemillersmoustache]

This made me chortle.

Other than wave and go on holiday, using a fountain pen is pretty much the only thing he has had to actually learn to do his "job." Doesn't bode terribly well does it. 

 

 

[Florentine_Pogen]

42 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said:

This made me chortle.

Other than wave and go on holiday, using a fountain pen is pretty much the only thing he has had to actually learn to do his "job." Doesn't bode terribly well does it. 

 

 

He'd probably be more comfortable with a quill.

(As long as the feathers didn't come from swans, natch..............)

[Fullerene]

15 hours ago, doulikefish said:

God save the king 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/13/king-charles-staff-given-redundancy-notice-during-church-service-for-queen?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

They should consider themselves lucky.

The ancient Eqyptians would have had them poisoned and buried with the queen.

[Gordon EF]

Anyone else not care about the absurdity of the details about who can be monarch and who can't?

It's literally just an accident of birth. The utter insanity of that completely outweighs anything like catholics not being allowed to be King or males coming before females in the line of succession. These things pale in comparison to the collective mental illness of actually having a hereditary monarchy.

[renton]

12 hours ago, welshbairn said:

I don't get that because a bunch of bankrupt aristos and gamblers sold their nation to England to pay off their debts, that that contract should supersede the will of the Scottish electorate until the end of times. 

While the Darien fiasco ended up with a lot of private debt (as opposed to national debt) it's not why the Act of Union happened, rather it was the threatened English economic blockade of Scotland that pushed the Scots to the negotiating table. Paying off Darien was just a sop that the Scots aristocrats managed to get levered in.

[Mr Waldo]

3 hours ago, Suspect Device said:

Are they really arresting anyone carrying a blank sheet of paper just in case they write Not my King on it?

 

No. But they did arrest someone who wrote that.

I wonder if some people are changing their views on Freedom of Speech?

[Thane of Cawdor]

1 hour ago, Florentine_Pogen said:

He'd probably be more comfortable with a quill.

(As long as the feathers didn't come from swans, natch..............)

Well, of course, a pen is also an adult female swan, but he did seem able to distinguish between them...so far, so good. Something pleasingly symmetrical about his nibs being betrayed by his nibs. 

[Granny Danger]

2 hours ago, Fullerene said:

They should consider themselves lucky.

The ancient Eqyptians would have had them poisoned and buried with the queen.

Seems fair(o).

[Antlion]

I doubt even Jimmy Savile could have had managed one last feel through an inch of oak.

[Dawson Park Boy]

1 hour ago, Mr Waldo said:

No. But they did arrest someone who wrote that.

I wonder if some people are changing their views on Freedom of Speech?

There’s a coming together of Jeremy Corbyn, David Davis and The FSU to campaign for all those arrested to be discharged on the grounds of freedom of speech.

Just shows that all sides of the political spectrum can come together when required.