The Master Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 23 minutes ago, johnnydun said: The fire that just won't go out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennyzer0 Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 On 12/08/2023 at 17:59, Captain_Sensible said: You disgraced yourselves with your Rangers songs today As I said previously, you got on with the Motherwell fans because they are Rangers wannabes as well Hearts next? Jeez, that’s another bunch you’ll get on fine with Hearts and Dundee love fest? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 On 07/08/2023 at 12:37, ZingaliMan said: Dundee had a great team in the 60's always great to see provincial clubs get the better of Glasgow's dark side. Glasgow sides are provincial, too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, Bigmouth Strikes Again said: "This world is full of crashing bores and racists. So much so, in fact, I have become one myself." Morrissey Fixed that for you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eindhovendee Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 There are more posts on this thread then the other 5 games put together. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossBFaeDundee Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 45 minutes ago, johnnydun said: The fire that just won't go out. Delete the whole thing, imo. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted August 14, 2023 Author Share Posted August 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, RossBFaeDundee said: Delete the whole thing, imo. You know how we have a P&B gold section for all the classic, read again threads. We this should be in P&B brown. For threads so horrific, they should be kept for educational purposes of how not to do threads. Definitely P&B brown. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZingaliMan Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 Here is a former referees opinion on the VAR goal decision. https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/imagine-if-that-happened-in-celtic-v-rangers-final-former-referee-hits-out-at-cheap-road-technology-after-big-weekend-incident-4254031 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby_F Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 59 minutes ago, ZingaliMan said: Here is a former referees opinion on the VAR goal decision. https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/imagine-if-that-happened-in-celtic-v-rangers-final-former-referee-hits-out-at-cheap-road-technology-after-big-weekend-incident-4254031 Even Michael feckin Stewart said he thought it was a goal! What people defending this by saying 'we've no goal line tech so can't be 100% sure' seem to be forgetting that VAR is to allow referees to use their JUDGEMENT on incidents based on have more/better/repeated views than the on field officials. Walsh should have used his judgment there and said, on the balance of probabilities, from that view, it's a goal. Or, because it's not a black and white situation (as offside is supposed to be) asked the ref to take a look at a view he didn't have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhame Buddie Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 We won. I think we can put the chalked off goal to bed now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted August 14, 2023 Author Share Posted August 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, Bobby_F said: from that view, it's a goal. Prove it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby_F Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, johnnydun said: Prove it. Sigh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted August 14, 2023 Author Share Posted August 14, 2023 Just now, Bobby_F said: Sigh. If nobody can prove without any doubt that the whole ball definitely 100% crossed over the line, then you can't give it. I don't see what's so difficult to understand here? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZingaliMan Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 24 minutes ago, Doonhame Buddie said: We won. I think we can put the chalked off goal to bed now. For me it's not about the score there is incompetence which can affect all our clubs. It's not cheating it's just utter shite refs at work. Are refs full time or part time. Full time I hope a lot of training could be done. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, ZingaliMan said: For me it's not about the score there is incompetence which can affect all our clubs. It's not cheating it's just utter shite refs at work. Are refs full time or part time. Full time I hope a lot of training could be done. Almost all Refs in Scotland have occupations outside of football. Most infamous example is that wee Tory rat who is both an MP and an MSP (albeit he is an Assistant Ref). Column is a teacher...going further back Craig Thomson is a lawyer and Iain Brines was a Polis. So no, they are not full time Refs. Edited August 14, 2023 by Arch Stanton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 This thread still motoring along? Still 2-1 to St Mirren? Still a big Joe own goal? Still a penalty save by our ‘downgrade’ to Sir Trevor Carson? Plucky, newly-promoted, injury ravaged, under-par Dundee still chasing that much deserved equaliser? Good stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 46 minutes ago, Bobby_F said: Even Michael feckin Stewart said he thought it was a goal! I'm not sure that's the "win" you think it is. 46 minutes ago, Bobby_F said: What people defending this by saying 'we've no goal line tech so can't be 100% sure' seem to be forgetting that VAR is to allow referees to use their JUDGEMENT on incidents based on have more/better/repeated views than the on field officials. Goals are black and white - either the whole of the ball is over the whole of the line, or it isn't. If there's no angle that categorically proves the referee's decision was wrong, the original on-field decision must stand. It's as simple as that. And yes, that also means if the referee had given a goal on Saturday, it would have stood. 46 minutes ago, Bobby_F said: Walsh should have used his judgment there and said, on the balance of probabilities, from that view, it's a goal. That's not how the rules work. 46 minutes ago, Bobby_F said: Or, because it's not a black and white situation (as offside is supposed to be) asked the ref to take a look at a view he didn't have. Goals are a black and white situation. I'm not sure why you'd think they weren't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby_F Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 1 hour ago, johnnydun said: If nobody can prove without any doubt that the whole ball definitely 100% crossed over the line, then you can't give it. I don't see what's so difficult to understand here? But you can’t prove it didn’t cross the line either. That’s my point, they have to make a judgement call, and it appears to most pundits and at least one ex referee that they got it wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby_F Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 40 minutes ago, The Master said: I'm not sure that's the "win" you think it is. Goals are black and white - either the whole of the ball is over the whole of the line, or it isn't. If there's no angle that categorically proves the referee's decision was wrong, the original on-field decision must stand. It's as simple as that. And yes, that also means if the referee had given a goal on Saturday, it would have stood. That's not how the rules work. Goals are a black and white situation. I'm not sure why you'd think they weren't. Of course the ball crossing the line is a black and white situation. However we don’t have the tech to determine that, therefore it’s a human judgment. As for Stewart he seems to go out of his way you take an anti-Saints view on every incident. I assume as ‘banter’ with Saints fan Thommo. So I fully expected him to say it was nowhere near over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 Has anyone watched the story of the match video you get a view from behind the goal but slightly to the side of big Joe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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