Bobby_F Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Al B said: If the ref decided that it had then yes, but that's where the discretionary part comes in. Look where O’Donnel is when the ball is coming back to O’Hara. Actually ahead of him. VAR I take it made the (bad) discretionary call. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al B Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, Bobby_F said: Look where O’Donnel is when the ball is coming back to O’Hara. Actually ahead of him. VAR I take it made the (bad) discretionary call. The ball doesn't come back to O'Hara, it goes off to the right of that still image, and the rebound is hit by a player that's not even in shot there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al B Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 (edited) Rebound goes way off to the right as we look at it, to the player under the red arrow (not sure who that is, sorry), who hits it off the legs of Gent who's under the yellow arrow, and rebounding away to distance. This isn't a Motherwell fan v a St Mirren fan thing, and you may not like the rule with it's discretionary addition, which is fair enough...there's loads of them I don't like, but O'Donnell didn't influence the penalty or the rebound so the ref is correct to allow play to continue. Edited December 17, 2023 by Al B 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Aldo Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 27 minutes ago, Al B said: Rebound goes way off to the right as we look at it, to the player under the red arrow (not sure who that is, sorry), who hits it off the legs of Gent who's under the yellow arrow, and rebounding away to distance. This isn't a Motherwell fan v a St Mirren fan thing, and you may not like the rule with it's discretionary addition, which is fair enough...there's loads of them I don't like, but O'Donnell didn't influence the penalty or the rebound so the ref is correct to allow play to continue. Threads involving St Mirren aren't the place for reasoned debate and logic. Let's just all agree that St Mirren should have been given 2 penalties due to the encroachment, they should have won 5-0 and they're clearly the best team Scotland has ever seen. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YassinMoutaouakil Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 It's not Stephen O'Donnell's fault he's a speed demon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YassinMoutaouakil Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 Did we make St Mirren kick off the opposite way from usual or is that something they've started doing? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, YassinMoutaouakil said: Did we make St Mirren kick off the opposite way from usual or is that something they've started doing? Yes you did. I blame McGinn or Obika for revealing our secret formula !! We are undone !! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YassinMoutaouakil Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, Wilbur said: Yes you did. I blame McGinn or Obika for revealing our secret formula !! We are undone !! Wonder if the wind was a factor. Suppose we got a better result than last time so maybe it worked. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Sanchez Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 23 minutes ago, YassinMoutaouakil said: Did we make St Mirren kick off the opposite way from usual or is that something they've started doing? Not seen that happen in years. Assume you won the toss and asked to change ends to try and use the prevailing wind in the first half. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 Kelly’s save down to his right at the post was more impressive than his penalty save. The shot was accurate and wind assisted, it was a good save. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well again Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 32 minutes ago, YassinMoutaouakil said: It's not Stephen O'Donnell's fault he's a speed demon Where did he hide his motorbike? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 Having read the last dozen or so posts, there can be only one conclusion… penalty to Rangers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPAFKA Jersey 2 Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 3 hours ago, Al B said: RE the encroachment at the penalty, you're sort of both correct. The laws of the game say that any enroachment should result in a re-take, but there was a revision a few years back that allowed referee discretion, so now generally a referee will often only order a retake if a defending player who encroaches, has an effect on the penalty itself (i.e clears the rebound, blocks a secondary shot etc etc). So as much as O'Donnell did encroach, the referee deemed it to not have affected the penalty at all (which it didn't), so had the discretion to over-ride the rule, which he did. Edit to add: As it's discretionary, if the referee had decided to order a re-take, that would also have been correct. If that’s true (and I’d like to see some evidence that it is) then it’s utter bollocks. The less discretion a ref has on anything the better, but particularly something like that. How difficult is it for defenders to remain out the box until the ball has been kicked? Especially if they know it’ll result in a retake. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie Kirk Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 54 minutes ago, TPAFKA Jersey 2 said: If that’s true (and I’d like to see some evidence that it is) then it’s utter bollocks. The less discretion a ref has on anything the better, but particularly something like that. How difficult is it for defenders to remain out the box until the ball has been kicked? Especially if they know it’ll result in a retake. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 Lol fucking encroachment. Unlucky buddies. We're utter shite and should have beat you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 Can't get agitated at all at the encroachment. If that ball goes in, nobody is wanting it retaken for encroachment. It was a horrible penalty and sums Mark O'Hara up this season, the drop off in his overall performances has been sharp and totally unexplained. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenburn bud Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 1 hour ago, djchapsticks said: Can't get agitated at all at the encroachment. If that ball goes in, nobody is wanting it retaken for encroachment. It was a horrible penalty and sums Mark O'Hara up this season, the drop off in his overall performances has been sharp and totally unexplained. It was a shocking penalty and sums up O’Hara this season. Sad to say he’s a passenger. Last season he was the the most important component in the team, captain leader, he dominated games and scored some cracking goals. For whatever reason he just flirts in and out of games making the odd contribution from time to time. But for the most part he’s a ghost from where he was last season. We need another midfielder in Jan and quite possibly move one of the strikers on to fund such a move. Lets hope he finds some confidence again and regains some form. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AW saint Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 The drop in form from O'Hara is alarming. Pale shadow of last season. Would take Slattery from Well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie Kirk Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 42 minutes ago, glenburn bud said: It was a shocking penalty and sums up O’Hara this season. Sad to say he’s a passenger. Last season he was the the most important component in the team, captain leader, he dominated games and scored some cracking goals. For whatever reason he just flirts in and out of games making the odd contribution from time to time. But for the most part he’s a ghost from where he was last season. We need another midfielder in Jan and quite possibly move one of the strikers on to fund such a move. Lets hope he finds some confidence again and regains some form. Yes it seems like you got the best version of O Hara last season. I think he has now reverted back to type I.e. how he was with us during his entire stint at Fir Park. Occasionally does something of note but largely anonymous . He has all the tools as well to be a great box to box midfielder it’s quite frustrating. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 10 minutes ago, AW saint said: The drop in form from O'Hara is alarming. Pale shadow of last season. Would take Slattery from Well. Slattery played a lot of the game on his arse yesterday but he's a good player. Him and Spittal, I'd happily see either in a Saints shirt. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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