Nicola

[Steelly]

24 minutes ago, SandyCromarty said:

Rumours circulating that Craig Hoy, the Scottish conservative chairman, was violently sick all over his breakfast table when he read about Jason Leitch deleting messages. The rumours continued that he said, 'This is what you can expect when you let working class poor people govern'

And the scurrilous stories that Jackie Bailey is anorexic is just that, scurrilous.

Seek help Sandy before you self combust.

[Sergeant Wilson]

1 hour ago, Steelly said:

Seek help Sandy before you self combust.

Aye, somebody around him must've noticed a deterioration. Time to phone the Doctor.

[Dan Steele]

20 hours ago, Jedi2 said:

Here's a thought to give you a shudder as well believe it or not there are actually quite a few Labour supporters who favour Independence, just not the SNP's version of it.

Are there different shades of independence? 

[Billy Jean King]

13 hours ago, Jedi2 said:

'Israel must be subjected to the rules of international law . . . the Palestinian people must be protected' (Starmer's own words).

He has called for humanitarian pauses to allow aid and supplies to reach people in Gaza 

He has said that the people of Gaza should 'not be displaced', and that the international community needs to find a solution which enables 'dialogue' and a 'peaceful solution'.

He did get it wrong at the start, no question, but not sure what else he is meant to say in addition to the above at the moment. Yes, he could be more critical of Israeli military actions, and he should be.

Anyway...back to Nicola..

Why won't Starmer or anyone else in the Labour party call for a Ceasefire  ? A humanitarian pause is a total cop out. Similarly the Tories won't mutter the word Ceasefire so you can see why folk are drawing the conclusions. 

[itzdrk]

18 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

Why won't Starmer or anyone else in the Labour party call for a Ceasefire  ? A humanitarian pause is a total cop out. Similarly the Tories won't mutter the word Ceasefire so you can see why folk are drawing the conclusions. 

It's not even a cop out, its just a slightly less gleeful support of the genocide.  

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We believe in stopping for lunch and bandages before we get back to the killing.  

 

[Bob in Denny]

4 hours ago, alta-pete said:

 

Novak the tennis bloke has let himself go a bit

[AndyM]

2 hours ago, SandyCromarty said:

Rumours circulating that Craig Hoy, the Scottish conservative chairman, was violently sick all over his breakfast table when he read about Jason Leitch deleting messages. The rumours continued that he said, 'This is what you can expect when you let working class poor people govern'

And the scurrilous stories that Jackie Bailey is anorexic is just that, scurrilous.

Sandy - whilst both of them are atrocious, you dragging things down into stupid schoolyard personal abuse isn't going to win anyone over. The Twitter wars between Yoons and Nats that now have a strictly moonhowler audience that plays out to ever diminishing returns should be example of that.

There are plenty of obvious criticisms you can make of both Hoy and Baillie without needing to sound like a teenager going off on one.   

[coprolite]

3 hours ago, SandyCromarty said:

Any pro brexit, pro poll tax and pro bedroom tax yoons wish to comment on the rags to riches personal wealth of tory MPJonathon Gullis?

 

ASK A UNIONIST

What's improved for you since 2014?

Cheaper food?

Cheaper energy?

Cheaper mortgage rates?

Cheaper rents?

Easier to travel?

Better quality foods?

Cheaper anything?

Higher international standing?

Better, fairer, journalism? 

And they will trot out the usual Covid excuse and avoid mentioning the UK has lost £140 Billion in trade since Brexit.

And now England's Group:

England 

Lapland

Melchester Rovers

And me and my mum

[Jedi2]

4 hours ago, Dan Steele said:

Are there different shades of independence? 

Absolutely...one is based on properly funding public services, not running public spending down to chase the EU 3% Aquis (maybe consider an EFTA route instead), and try not to base the economy on pleasing big business interests.Also trying to move to a Scottish currency as quickly as possible, to not rely on the B of E to set interest rates etc for Scotland.

Thr other is the SNPs current 'plan' to reign in public spending for the 3% dream, to maybe if they play nice, rejoin the EU in 5-10 years, near 'decade' of austerity, fire sale of Scottish assets, and chase big business/private interests.

Edited January 29 by Jedi2

[alta-pete]

2 hours ago, Jedi2 said:

Absolutely...one is based on properly funding public services, not running public spending down to chase the EU 3% Aquis (maybe consider an EFTA route instead), and try not to base the economy on pleasing big business interests.Also trying to move to a Scottish currency as quickly as possible, to not rely on the B of E to set interest rates etc for Scotland.

Thr other is the SNPs current 'plan' to reign in public spending for the 3% dream, to maybe if they play nice, rejoin the EU in 5-10 years, near 'decade' of austerity, fire sale of Scottish assets, and chase big business/private interests.

Sounds like fun. 

[Dan Steele]

3 hours ago, Jedi2 said:

Absolutely...one is based on properly funding public services, not running public spending down to chase the EU 3% Aquis (maybe consider an EFTA route instead), and try not to base the economy on pleasing big business interests.Also trying to move to a Scottish currency as quickly as possible, to not rely on the B of E to set interest rates etc for Scotland.

Thr other is the SNPs current 'plan' to reign in public spending for the 3% dream, to maybe if they play nice, rejoin the EU in 5-10 years, near 'decade' of austerity, fire sale of Scottish assets, and chase big business/private interests.

No, you're offering an idea of what you might like to happen (from Lab, I assume) after any independence, and an anti-SNP hit. Independence would come about by, I'd imagine, the same route as the last one - Should Scotland be an Independent Country: Yes or No. So either/or, no shades.

Even if there is a section of Labour who believe in independence, there's no chance of pro-Union Sir Keith getting within a million miles of offering Scotland this option. Well, maybe after they abolish the House of Lords, right enough.

[Jedi2]

59 minutes ago, alta-pete said:

Sounds like fun. 

The SNP one?..sure does

[KirkieRR]

Still  being in the Union kept us in the EU, like they promised, eh, Jedi?

No doubt Sir Keir 'Peter Butterworth' Starmer is determined to apologise and take us back in, eh?

[Jedi2]

45 minutes ago, Dan Steele said:

No, you're offering an idea of what you might like to happen (from Lab, I assume) after any independence, and an anti-SNP hit. Independence would come about by, I'd imagine, the same route as the last one - Should Scotland be an Independent Country: Yes or No. So either/or, no shades.

Even if there is a section of Labour who believe in independence, there's no chance of pro-Union Sir Keith getting within a million miles of offering Scotland this option. Well, maybe after they abolish the House of Lords, right enough.

If say there was another Referendum/or the SNP win enough seats to be able to say 'that's us Independent now' it will be Humza/Andrew Wilson/Robison/Gilruth/Gray et al, who will be implementing their decade of austerity plans...that is still one 'shade of Independence'.

The SNP do of course have the opportunity to change course, recognise that imposing a 'hard' Independence, in terms of there being little difference between their 'vision' and the Tories between 2010-19, might, just might, not be the best route.

They need to be absolutely clear and honest with the people of Scotland on what they are currently asking them to support..an austerity which would make George Osborne blush, to get into bed with the fat cats, if a majority of folk in Scorland want that.. fine.

Or...could the SNP yet throw out this ridiculous proposal amd start getting serious with an Independence which would actually improve people's lives in Scotland.

Edited January 29 by Jedi2

[Jedi2]

5 minutes ago, KirkieRR said:

Still  being in the Union kept us in the EU, like they promised, eh, Jedi?

No doubt Sir Keir 'Peter Butterworth' Starmer is determined to apologise and take us back in, eh?

Again....a Labour campaign in this GE to rejoin the EU now or hold another Ref....which guarantees the Tories victory would be worth it..eh?

[KirkieRR]

2 hours ago, Jedi2 said:

Again....a Labour campaign in this GE to rejoin the EU now or hold another Ref....which guarantees the Tories victory would be worth it..eh?

Have you seen the polls on Brexit lately? Has Sir Butterworth?

Anyway  I missed your apology about misleading us re EU membership in 2014.

[Jedi2]

I would like to see both Labour and the SNP advocate for EFTA membership...there is no reason why both parties couldn't do so. Set out to sell that to the public as a step to working much more closely with the EU.

In the SNP's case, it would allow them to buy a lot more time, in building up the economy before trying to meet the requirements for full EU membership.

In Labour's case it would just make sense, and also buy time for trying to rejoin further down the line. I still think any offer of another EU Ref at this stage would simply hand the Tories a victory.

Of course Better Together promised continued EU Membership in 2014, not denying it, but that didn't forsee the poorly run Remain campaign which helped the gammon vote no end.

[KirkieRR]

10 minutes ago, Jedi2 said:

the poorly run Remain campaign

Aye. If only Labour had put their backs into that like they did for 'No' in 2014 alongside their Tory partners...

[Jedi2]

In fairness to her on this one, don't think there have any blows landed during today's Enquiry.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

Jedi, i get that this thread is Sandy’s own Gareth Marenghi type dreamfuck but surely you get that Labour in its current guise is nothing other than tory-lite?