The Kate Forbes thread

[welshbairn]

8 minutes ago, tamthebam said:

So I'm a bit confused by this "conservative" wing of the SNP. I also laugh at the idea that Scottish Labour are full of Bennites and the Militant Tendency in comparison. 

My earlier point was that a Kate Forbes government could likely only happen with some support from the Tories, and her fiscal thoughts are as conservative as her social ones, so Labour could pick up leftie first, nationalist second votes from the SNP.

[tamthebam]

1 minute ago, welshbairn said:

My earlier point was that a Kate Forbes government could likely only happen with some support from the Tories, and her fiscal thoughts are as conservative as her social ones, so Labour could pick up leftie first, nationalist second votes from the SNP.

Aye, but if you're a leftie voting for Labour in it's current incarnation then it's a bit like signing a centre forward from Cumbernauld United on the basis that Kenny Dalglish was a centre forward for Cumbernauld United 50 years ago 

[BucksburnDandy]

7 hours ago, welshbairn said:

I was impressed by the way Màiri McAllan managed the A9 dualling reset, but she might be too young.

 

7 hours ago, ScotiaNostra said:

Shes a possibility, not sure would get enough votes yet though. Maybe in a few years.

 

who chooses is it just SNP Members ? If it is and Forbes runs quite likely she wins. Its not a great time to takeover for anyone thinking about it though

I think she's due a baby later this year (congratulations to her and her other half) so I don't think the timing works for her just now.

[D Angelo Barksdale]

I'm old enough to remember when the Forbster (going with this) was being praised as the next big thing as Finance Minister, even the Greens were happily voting through her budgets.

[TheScarf]

1 minute ago, D Angelo Barksdale said:

I'm old enough to remember when the Forbster (going with this) was being praised as the next big thing as Finance Minister, even the Greens were happily voting through her budgets.

Wasn't that before she was outed as a bible bashing, anti-trans, anti-abortion moon howler? 

[wirez]

To win independence you need as broad a church (forgive the pun) as possible.

That is what the SNP should be. Fiscal Conservatives, Socialists, Greens, Centrists...whatever. As long as they firmly believe Scotland would be better off as an independent country.

A face to put up against every unionist party that claims to be any of the above and show voters why independence will be better for them.

Just indulging green left wing policies that have been a disaster narrows your voter base and leads to....this.

[D Angelo Barksdale]

Just now, TheScarf said:

Wasn't that before she was outed as a bible bashing, anti-trans, anti-abortion moon howler? 

I don’t think it was a secret that she's always been a social conservative.

[sophia]

Humza said blessings. 

 

 

 

[effeffsee_the2nd]

35 minutes ago, tamthebam said:

There's people on the left who could also be social conservatives too - a historic example being 1970s Trade Union leaders when dealing with feminism. 

And there are those who are fiscally conservative who can also be socially liberal. 

So I'm a bit confused by this "conservative" wing of the SNP. I also laugh at the idea that Scottish Labour are full of Bennites and the Militant Tendency in comparison. 

But what's amusing is that Joanna Cherry's radical feminism is probably just as unacceptable to the social conservatives as the Gender Recognition bill. 

There are people on the right, both socially and/or economically who support independence ( although the majority of right leaning people in Scotland are still unionists) and if independence ever happens then there will be a centre- right party of some description who will be one of the major parties

[Empty It]

41 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

A debate about which religion is most sexist!  

Is there an "all of the above" option?

[alta-pete]

7 minutes ago, wirez said:

To win independence you need as broad a church (forgive the pun) as possible.

I think this is the big failing in the Independence movement. It seems that either you agree with their world view in its narrow entirety or you are cast out as an extremist loonball. 

There are many fringe issues that shouldn’t really, but seemingly do, trigger the party faithful. Only with a much broader (ok, 15-20% broader) church than is currently permitted will it have any chance of success. @Granny Danger for one, I’m looking at you…

[Jedi2]

'Fantatist...equating to the self same Kate Forbes taking 48% of the SNP membership vote a year ago, no not a majority but that was against Yousaf who was more of a draw than Swinney would be (seriously)

It's all about staying in power...with Forbes you get backing in the chamber from the Tories to get legislation through (aside from obviously Independence). With the Tories having enough seats at Holyrood to make a difference to the numbers.

So 'strong and stable' govt with Katie it is..or more chaos from the Greens with Swinney 

Edited April 29 by Jedi2

[Stephen Malkmus]

2 minutes ago, Jedi2 said:

'Fantatist'...equating to the self same Kate Forbes taking 48% of the SNP membership vote a year ago, no not a majority but that was against Yousaf who was more of a draw than Swinney would be (seriously)

It's all about staying in power...with Forbes you get backing in the chamber from the Tories to get legislation through (aside from obviously Independence). With the Tories having enough seats at Holyrood to make a difference to the numbers.

So 'strong and stable' govt with Katie it is..or more chaos from the Greens with Swinney 

Tory HQ is hardly going to let their branch office support SNP legislation - even if they did, not enough SNP MSPs would vote to carry something that was so right wing it was able to get Tory support

[RossBFaeDundee]

23 minutes ago, wirez said:

To win independence you need as broad a church (forgive the pun) as possible.

That is what the SNP should be. Fiscal Conservatives, Socialists, Greens, Centrists...whatever. As long as they firmly believe Scotland would be better off as an independent country.

A face to put up against every unionist party that claims to be any of the above and show voters why independence will be better for them.

Just indulging green left wing policies that have been a disaster narrows your voter base and leads to....this.

I can't pretend to be fully interested in what the SNP should be (or in what politics is nowadays tbh), but I agree with the sentiment of compromise being key, it's what politics is all about and it's the only way independence will be attained with the current situation. Independence is and should be treated as the main goal that we need a united front for bar none, and all the other issues can then be properly reassessed once it has been achieved. For now they're just distractions that cause division and keep independence further away from happening. Once we have freedom, then we best decide how Scotland as a country feels about these issues without the constant needling from Westminster.

For all the misgivings about Kate Forbes, the SNP need someone who can focus on the main task at hand and not get sidetracked by more personal goals until progress is made towards independence, and if Forbes is the best person to do that then it's the right decision. It's a person who non-SNP independence supporters might find more palatable in the short to medium term which could be big for getting things moving again, and I do believe her more personal ideological beliefs would find it hard to get much footing even with her in charge. I certainly think giving her the gig would do more than giving it to Swinney, what a waste of time that would be.

Edited April 29 by RossBFaeDundee

[Jedi2]

Just now, Stephen Malkmus said:

Tory HQ is hardly going to let their branch office support SNP legislation - even if they did, not enough SNP MSPs would vote to carry something that was so right wing it was able to get Tory support

Wouldn't be so sure. Enough of them are sick of the damage done by the Greens and are both socially and fiscally conservative, so such policies shouldn't bother them.

Tories get their time in the limelight by backing her up..after all it was good enough for Anna belle and Alex

[wirez]

1 minute ago, alta-pete said:

I think this is the big failing in the Independence movement. It seems that either you agree with their world view in its narrow entirety or you are cast out as an extremist loonball. 

There are many fringe issues that shouldn’t really, but seemingly do, trigger the party faithful. Only with a much broader (ok, 15-20% broader) church than is currently permitted will it have any chance of success. @Granny Danger for one, I’m looking at you…

He voted for Brexit in a campaign ran by -

Vote Leave - Dominic Cummings, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove.

Leave.EU - Nigel Farage and Arron Banks

Now he feels all tingly about Forbes getting the top job.

f**k off!

[Stephen Malkmus]

1 minute ago, Jedi2 said:

Wouldn't be so sure. Enough of them are sick of the damage done by the Greens and are both socially and fiscally conservative, so such policies shouldn't bother them.

Tories get their time in the limelight by backing her up..after all it was good enough for Anna belle and Alex

Annabelle and Alex is prehistory now, only the last decade is relevant for SNP-Tory relations going forward.

The aim for the Tories in a Scottish Parliament sense isn't getting their policies through (they can already do that via the Internal Market Act), it's stopping the SNP from being a force. The way for them to do that is by refusing to be constructive, and by causing as much of a nuisance as possible. Their function is to be wreckers, as that's what serves the UK party's ideological interest.

[Granny Danger]

4 minutes ago, wirez said:

He voted for Brexit in a campaign ran by -

Vote Leave - Dominic Cummings, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove.

Leave.EU - Nigel Farage and Arron Banks

Now he feels all tingly about Forbes getting the top job.

f**k off!

If I was so triggered by another poster as you are by me I’d put them on ignore.

[wirez]

Just now, Granny Danger said:

If I was so triggered by another poster as you are by me I’d put them on ignore.

I think it is entirely fair to remind people of your very recent past voting record as you pass high handed judgement on SNP candidates presently.

 

 

[Jedi2]

But once Kate starts pursuing a low tax, light touch regulation programme, promoting oil and gas, downplaying Environmentalism and Equality, potentially trimming public service budgets...why wouldn't the Tories get on board with that?

She would win the next Holyrood election...hoovering up 'soft' Tory votes, suggesting that Independence is a 'longer process' of needing to persuade enough people with competent/strong govt, and, in addition to the soft Tory vote, retaining most of the SNP's existing share as it will be a 'who else is there to vote for' response