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29 minutes ago, Melanius Mullarkey said:

Oh no. Gary Linwoker has criticised Harry Kane for being a useless lazy c**t.

Hell be getting pelters.

The english MSM will be along shortly blaming a german conspiracy.

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40 minutes ago, The Naitch said:

Sensible points from Lineker about Kane tbf

Was especially good as it came straight after Rio Ferdinand dribbling on about his fantastic movement whilst they showed the goal where he basically stood stock still until the ball landed at his feet. 

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Admittedly Southgate is too defensive and can't get the best from these decent players, however in the Premier League they are surrounded by overseas class players which must make a difference. England always last eight, no more or less. Maybe a gung-ho type manager would get more, just needs more tempo from the start.

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1 hour ago, SlayerX said:

I took pelters when I said that McGregor or Gilmour would walk into the England midfield.

I don't care what anyone says. They would

The Swiss midfield is easily the equivalent to the Danish midfield. McGregor and Gilmour controlled their match more than Rice and Trent did theirs.

Stuart Pierce once said that Rice is a centerback. If you pair him up with Trent then it's a centerback and a fullback in midfield.

It's hardly Southgate's fault England don't produce playnakers, though.

Another bright spark was telling me that Mainoo is a world class midfielder as he plays for club and country at 19. I didn't let on that I'm a Manchester United fan and I know all about Mainoo.

As I said previously in this thread. England are the world champions at being self publisists. The weird thing is when Scottish people believe the hype. There are a fair few of them here.

All points are logical.  However, the hype could possibly be justified in the right context.  In my teens watching John Barnes at Anfield, which I drone on about, I made peace with the fact that despite him being a fantastic player,  England could do nowt with him.  Yet it was he who, allegedly, did nothing for England.  In my mind, this JB should have had his own hype-man in the style of the soul legend.  No England fan will tell me any different.  Take this excerpt from a Guardian article about John Barnes and apply it to eg. Paul Scholes and Phil Foden.  John Barnes has been asked about Phil Foden, if you catch any snippets.  Oh and Gazza should have gone to Liverpool and not Spurs.

Barnes should be remembered as one of the greatest British footballers; perhaps running George Best close for the title of most naturally talented, with Paul Gascoigne for company. That successive England managers failed to get the best out of him is indicative of the lack of imagination and flexibility that has held the England team back for so long.

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16 minutes ago, Red Kite said:

All points are logical.  However, the hype could possibly be justified in the right context.  In my teens watching John Barnes at Anfield, which I drone on about, I made peace with the fact that despite him being a fantastic player,  England could do nowt with him.  Yet it was he who, allegedly, did nothing for England.  In my mind, this JB should have had his own hype-man in the style of the soul legend.  No England fan will tell me any different.  Take this excerpt from a Guardian article about John Barnes and apply it to eg. Paul Scholes and Phil Foden.  John Barnes has been asked about Phil Foden, if you catch any snippets.  Oh and Gazza should have gone to Liverpool and not Spurs.

Barnes should be remembered as one of the greatest British footballers; perhaps running George Best close for the title of most naturally talented, with Paul Gascoigne for company. That successive England managers failed to get the best out of him is indicative of the lack of imagination and flexibility that has held the England team back for so long.

Na, there’s only one manager Gazza should have signed for, and that’s Fergie.  Would have gone on to be one of the best in the world going on how good he was in his early twenties under Alex.  And I’m no Man Utd fan. 

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Turgid as they are, there are still two issues that might make England go far in the tournament:

1) They'll likely be better once Shaw returns at left back - not because he's actually good, but because simply having a live, actual left back will stop them from being so ridiculously lop-sided when attacking. It's much easier to mark Saka etc. out the game when there's absolutely no threat on the opposite wing. 

2) Bellingham could be moved to central midfielder, instead of their joke 'Trent'/''Connor Gallagher' options. He was only pushed further up the park at Real Madrid to solve a major weakness in their squad at the start of the season; England have a parade of attacking midfielders who can do that job instead. 

A competent manager and country that hadn't already anointed Bellingham as the best player on the continent would recognise that and make the change to be a more effective team. In 'Gareth' and the English media we trust. 

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As shite as England have been, they're almost certainly still going to win the group and end up on the soft side of the draw (bottom half) yet-a-fucking-gain.

Spain definitely in top half and Germany will be as well unless they lose to Switzerland. You can probably book France making an arse of it vs Netherlands and ending up in the top half too. 

 

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16 minutes ago, PauloPerth said:

Na, there’s only one manager Gazza should have signed for, and that’s Fergie.  Would have gone on to be one of the best in the world going on how good he was in his early twenties under Alex.  And I’m no Man Utd fan. 

The history books prove you are correct, in terms of how Fergie built his sides and proved he could develop players.  Plus, we got knocked off our perch.  At the time though, we had Peter Beardsley who Gazza knew and was a great pro and were not doing badly.  I may sound over the top, but I never doubted that if you came to Liverpool with the right attitude that you would develop as a player.

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