Frankie S Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Ok so we didn’t play well - infuriatingly cautious approach from Clarke again, our midfield overestimating the ability of our central defenders (who saw more of the ball than anyone else in the team) to actually play football by continually giving them the ball rather than looking for a forward pass, and a complete lack of pace and creativity in the team, but how VAR wasn’t asked to have a look after Stuart Armstrong was rugby tackled to the ground in the box simply defies belief. Hungary were the better team nonetheless, and deserved the win, but the behaviour of a few of their ‘fans’ - there was fighting in area where we were at the end, and these were the expensive seats, with a Hungarian guy throwing punches at Scotland fans (including a poor woman caught up in the fracas), then launching projectiles at the fans trying to get away from him - was utterly disgraceful. Hope the Hungarian player who was injured in the collision with Gunn is ok, looked like a bad one. Sick of the same old hard luck stories from the Scotland football team. Just not good enough yet again, sadly. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGlovin' Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Just now, DrewDon said: There is simply no sub-group of football fans I pity more than those who message into the BBC Sport live text. I don't think they are real people? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ya Bezzer! Posted June 23 Popular Post Share Posted June 23 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said: This for starters, Celtic as bad, Over 60% of the players in the Scottish Premiership are non Scots. Most of them are dross. I've said it before but someone like Curtis Main joins a different top level club every year, does absolutely f**k all, and a youngster doesn't get a chance. But when the average manager is getting binned after 6-10 months, youth development has absolutely no chance. Scottish football is all about survival, not development. You can rightfully criticise pretty much everyone in Scottish football but fans also have to take a lot of the blame. The entire footballing culture and mentality is badly, badly wrong. Edited June 23 by Ya Bezzer! 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 20 minutes ago, Elixir said: For 2026, we should accept the fact Tierney cannot be relied upon, bin the system designed to shoehorn him and Robertson into the starting eleven, and build the team around Ferguson and Gilmour. The former will be a Juventus player soon after he is back to fitness, yet the bald fraud refused to start the best midfielder in Italy prior to injury - quite incredible, frankly. McTominay can be played up front if need be. We need to hope that Doak becomes the player we all want him to be, and the likes of Conway and others continue to progress and break through. We need Doig to kick on in Serie A as a long-term replacement to Robertson. Hickey should play for one of the bigger clubs in Europe before too long, so we could have two excellent full backs for the best part of the next decade. Oh, if a couple of centre backs and a new net tender could materialise, that would also be ideal. We won't, though, and it will be a wasted campaign. To further add to this: Moyes would be a marked improvement on Clarke, to be sure, but as others have mentioned, it could be someone else. The Albanian and Georgian managers have made him look like an absolute chump. Gunn Hickey Hendry McKenna Robertson Gilmour McGregor Doak Ferguson McGinn McTominay Dependent on the likes of Robertson and MxGregor having one more campaign in them. Ideally some new blood would emerge at centre back and between the sticks, but as it stands we just need to go with Hendry and McKenna and make the most of it. Hanley, Cooper etc are done. Porteous ain't it either. We won't be brave enough to do something like this, however. The SFA will give Clarke another campaign to stink up and continue setting us back. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 11 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said: This for starters, Celtic as bad, Are we all forgetting how fucking pish we were when we were picking eight or nine starters who played for Rangers and Celtic? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Sanchez Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Regarding the think tanks to figure out why we're seemingly regressing, I'd suggest someone tries to find out what they've been doing in the Netherlands for all these years that's allowed a small-ish nation to consistently compete with the elites. I played in a couple of youth tournaments there in the late '80s, and even then everything about it was light years ahead of what we were seeing at home. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Hungary played a back three, one of whom gets booked after 26 minutes. If that was Scotland would the opposition run at that particular defender to pressure him into either making a mistake or committing a foul which could lead to a second? That's basic East of Scotland League tactics, let alone international football. The Hungarian defender stayed on for 100 minutes without being subbed which tells its own story. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monrovianmonk Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 I can't see Clarke staying. With the nations league we will be looking at 1 win in 18. He'll not fancy that 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted June 23 Author Share Posted June 23 1 minute ago, Elixir said: To further add to this: Moyes would be a marked improvement on Clarke, to be sure, but as others have mentioned, it could be someone else. The Albanian and Georgian managers have made him look like an absolute chump. Gunn Hickey Hendry McKenna Robertson Gilmour McGregor Doak Ferguson McGinn McTominay Dependent on the likes of Robertson and MxGregor having one more campaign in them. Ideally some new blood would emerge at centre back and between the sticks, but as it stands we just need to go with Hendry and McKenna and make the most of it. Hanley, Cooper etc are done. Porteous ain't it either. We won't be brave enough to do something like this, however. The SFA will give Clarke another campaign to stink up and continue setting us back. That’s 8 of the players from this failed campaign. Are Hickey, Ferguson and Doak going to make the difference and get us qualifying from the group stages? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Just now, Dirty Sanchez said: Regarding the think tanks to figure out why we're seemingly regressing, I'd suggest someone tries to find out what they've been doing in the Netherlands for all these years that's allowed a small-ish nation to consistently compete with the elites. I played in a couple of youth tournaments there in the late '80s, and even then everything about it was light years ahead of what we were seeing at home. I bet the Dutch don't let dugs shite on their youth teams' pitches. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 17 minutes ago, SomersetBairn said: The SFA and SPFL will do f**k all. It's the other parties issue as far as they are concerned. It's a shame but your right in that we need to be looking overseas for better produced talent. My laddie plays basic grassroots football (U10) down here in Somerset. The coaches have done UEFA and FA Licences. Basic grassroots! Funding for their Licences came from the club who they are affiliated to, who play in Step 7 of the English football league system. These clubs, and the FA, recognise the importance of decent coaching to youngsters at an early age. Also, his school team coach is about to do his UEFA B license. Admittedly, England have won nothing and long may that continue, but their quality of player has increased by some margins over those they had in the 80's and 90s. Surely there's finance in Scotland to get these structures in place? I know there's the JD performance schools in Scotland, but more trained coaches at grassroots should start to bring the standard up. Like your point on summer football too. Yer initial coaching courses in Scotland are delivered via zoom and are difficult to work round as a volunteer coach. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 We've by far the worst record of any country in World Cups... we've now by far the worst in the Euros too. We've failed to get out of groups 4 times... Bulgaria have failed twice... plus a few once (Finland, Latvia, North Macedonia, Norway, Slovenia). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted June 23 Author Share Posted June 23 1 minute ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Yer initial coaching courses in Scotland are delivered via zoom and are difficult to work round as a volunteer coach. And they teach you nothing you didn’t already know. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 1 minute ago, Scary Bear said: That’s 8 of the players from this failed campaign. Are Hickey, Ferguson and Doak going to make the difference and get us qualifying from the group stages? Josh Doig has been playing in Italian football. Any sniff of a full cap? Aye. Right. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Absolute Imposter Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 14 minutes ago, Fletchers Saucy Manbun said: Why not, what happens? Too many of the boys end up disillusioned with how they get treated and stop playing. If the boys get cut from the quota, there is no contact back to the boys club they came from giving any feedback on what they need to improve on, in fact they are not sent back to their original club just unceremoniously dumped. So there is no chance of improving these boys some of whom might end up coming good. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletchers Saucy Manbun Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 19 minutes ago, SomersetBairn said: My laddie plays basic grassroots football (U10) down here in Somerset. The coaches have done UEFA and FA Licences. Basic grassroots! Funding for their Licences came from the club who they are affiliated to, who play in Step 7 of the English football league system. These clubs, and the FA, recognise the importance of decent coaching to youngsters at an early age. Also, his school team coach is about to do his UEFA B license. Also what I've seen around England. Schools all over the place with at least 3G pitches too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 The fans need to get better, too. Mix it up a bit. Scowl at the locals a bit, have a bit of aggro with the opposition lot. We could do worse than enrol some of them in MMA classes before the next tournament. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 10 minutes ago, Elixir said: To further add to this: Moyes would be a marked improvement on Clarke, to be sure, but as others have mentioned, it could be someone else. The Albanian and Georgian managers have made him look like an absolute chump. Gunn Hickey Hendry McKenna Robertson Gilmour McGregor Doak Ferguson McGinn McTominay Dependent on the likes of Robertson and MxGregor having one more campaign in them. Ideally some new blood would emerge at centre back and between the sticks, but as it stands we just need to go with Hendry and McKenna and make the most of it. Hanley, Cooper etc are done. Porteous ain't it either. We won't be brave enough to do something like this, however. The SFA will give Clarke another campaign to stink up and continue setting us back. I do like this but I'd be moving McGinn back, in place of McGregor with one of Dykes, Shankland or Conway starting striker. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomersetBairn Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 1 minute ago, Fletchers Saucy Manbun said: Also what I've seen around England. Schools all over the place with at least 3G pitches too. But plastic pitches are bad, remember? Maybe oor game will improve if we all go back to grass? Will it f**k. Some of the facilities down here are really good. Some pitches they play on are not so good, but never had a game stopped by dog shit yet. We love it when it's a home game as the pitch is decent. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holiday Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 not having a look at Gauld for frendlies before euros baffling. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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