Arthur Orton Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, peasy23 said: On the rationale that they were going to only play the bowlers in 2 of the 3 matches max, would they not be as well to give Stokes a rest? They could always drop Crawley and put Stokes to 3 as batsman only. He has done it before. Would allow Anderson Archer and Wood back in at expense of Curran Woakes. Broad has to play. I'd keep Woakes also and leave out either Archer or Wood. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 They could always drop Crawley and put Stokes to 3 as batsman only. He has done it before. Would allow Anderson Archer and Wood back in at expense of Curran Woakes. Broad has to play. I'd keep Woakes also and leave out either Archer or Wood.I can understand why they want Stokes to play, they are a much poorer team without him. But why risk making his injury worse? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Orton Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Just now, peasy23 said: 4 minutes ago, Tynierose said: They could always drop Crawley and put Stokes to 3 as batsman only. He has done it before. Would allow Anderson Archer and Wood back in at expense of Curran Woakes. Broad has to play. I'd keep Woakes also and leave out either Archer or Wood. I can understand why they want Stokes to play, they are a much poorer team without him. But why risk making his injury worse? I think he now has such an influence on the team that even as only a batsman he is still paramount to any success. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 40 minutes ago, peasy23 said: 45 minutes ago, Tynierose said: They could always drop Crawley and put Stokes to 3 as batsman only. He has done it before. Would allow Anderson Archer and Wood back in at expense of Curran Woakes. Broad has to play. I'd keep Woakes also and leave out either Archer or Wood. I can understand why they want Stokes to play, they are a much poorer team without him. But why risk making his injury worse? Its likely only a niggle that could be aggravated by his bowling then he walks into the team as a batsman alone. Leave him at 5 though. The whole batting line up should be shaped to get the most out of Stokes\Root. Hell I'd drop in Denley at 3 as a captain to take the pressure off Root and get the most out of his batting. England and Australia tend to be too keen to pick their best batsman as captain and see how it goes. Steve "the freak" Smith can do it as can Kohli. But lots buckle under the pressure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moomintroll Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, dorlomin said: Its likely only a niggle that could be aggravated by his bowling then he walks into the team as a batsman alone. Leave him at 5 though. The whole batting line up should be shaped to get the most out of Stokes\Root. Hell I'd drop in Denley at 3 as a captain to take the pressure off Root and get the most out of his batting. England and Australia tend to be too keen to pick their best batsman as captain and see how it goes. Steve "the freak" Smith can do it as can Kohli. But lots buckle under the pressure. The forecast down here for Saturday and Sunday is not looking too clever so a result is unlikely. Stokes is the Number 3 ranked batsman in the rankings so play him in his usual position & tell him to forget about bowling. Anderson, Broad, Archer and Woakes with Root being reminded that he is a deceptively decent option and forced to take the ball will be the best options. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuctifano Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Crawley and Curran left out with Anderson and Archer coming back in, would probably have gone Curran over Woakes for variety if they're going down that route. The big unit plays for the Windies 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggyness Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 So windies put England in to bat. England recall archer and Jimmy at the expense of Crawley and Curran. Four seamers and bess. That's quite a long tail England have. Would have really liked to see foakes in for Buttler. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die hard doonhamer Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Sibley out for nothing in the first over, plumb lbw to Roach. Root in at 3, a far from ideal start. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 1 hour ago, jaggyness said: So windies put England in to bat. England recall archer and Jimmy at the expense of Crawley and Curran. Four seamers and bess. That's quite a long tail England have. Would have really liked to see foakes in for Buttler. Everyone in the England team from Root down is one too high. Not quite what I’d have done with the team; thought the balance was fine but clearly Stokes won’t be bowling. I think Archer is lucky to have his place, and Curran very unlucky to miss out. As is Crawley. Odd selection. That said, West Indies are a bowler short already, and two spinners seems overkill. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggyness Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Everyone in the England team from Root down is one too high. Not quite what I’d have done with the team; thought the balance was fine but clearly Stokes won’t be bowling. I think Archer is lucky to have his place, and Curran very unlucky to miss out. As is Crawley. Odd selection. That said, West Indies are a bowler short already, and two spinners seems overkill.If they are genuinely building an ashes team for next year, Curran in Australia is pointless with the ball so I can see it from that point. But for winning this series? Not sure about it at all. Plus if you need/want 4 seamers then Root can be your spinner if required for this test 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuctifano Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 The elephant in the room is that if they're serious about winning in Oz it should have been "thanks for everything Jimmy but that's you done" at the end of last summer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimi Shandrix Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Fuctifano said: The elephant in the room is that if they're serious about winning in Oz it should have been "thanks for everything Jimmy but that's you done" at the end of last summer. I would tend to agree with you but Jimmy or no Jimmy this England team have no chance of regaining the Ashes in Oz. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimi Shandrix Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Ooft. That is a criminal run out 20 mins before lunch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Ooft. That is a criminal run out 20 mins before lunch.Shocker, no need to be taking chances at this stage of the game. Good recovery too after losing the early wicket. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichtie78 Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Great ball to get rid of stokes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Stokes bowled by roach - didn't see that coming.All on Rory burns to be the steady batsman for England here, as the rest are more attack minded - and very inconsistent.He could be the hero, or they could be all out for 150-180. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Pope has played well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 I really do think he is a class act. Reminds me a bit of Bell but better. Should be around for the next 15 years hopefully.Cracking innings today from Pope when his team needed it, Buttler cutting loose a bit too which is piling the pressure on the bowlers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggyness Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Fair play to Pope and Buttler, England really should be getting 350+ from here, even with really just the tail to come from here. Seeing off the new ball tonight and even with the forecast they will be in with a chance of winning 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 34 minutes ago, jaggyness said: Fair play to Pope and Buttler, England really should be getting 350+ from here, even with really just the tail to come from here. Seeing off the new ball tonight and even with the forecast they will be in with a chance of winning This test feels very similar to the last one, in that England look like they’ve got an extra gear while the West Indies bowlers look a little empty. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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