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Add on to the rumour mill - the guy I sit next to at work was golfing with someone from Berwick who has connections in the board. He had mentioned to him that things coming to a head. Seem to suggest it will be a difficult year and there may be some turmoil. In all honesty the guy at work couldn't remember any of the details other than it wasn't looking great.

Seems like Berwick is the epicentre of the Livi board room drama. 

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Well it is the time of year for the rumour mill to get into full swing.Doesnt take a Sherlock to realise next season is going to be excedently trying both on and off the field for the club.At least weve the opportunity of at least one more season in the top flight.Where we go after that is anyones guess.🤷‍♂️🦁.

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6 hours ago, DavideFernandezLoveChild said:

Add on to the rumour mill - the guy I sit next to at work was golfing with someone from Berwick who has connections in the board. He had mentioned to him that things coming to a head. Seem to suggest it will be a difficult year and there may be some turmoil. In all honesty the guy at work couldn't remember any of the details other than it wasn't looking great.

Seems like Berwick is the epicentre of the Livi board room drama. 

I don't exactly think it's drama within the boardroom, what you seem to be getting at is Hogarth and whoever else it was in court. Allegedly Hogarth was caught stealing from the club (mainly 'borrowing' money with the intention to pay it back without anyone noticing due to his own personal COVID losses). If that's true and there's still a six-figure sum missing then we're right by all accounts to recover that and go through the proper channels to do so.

The other case I think is similar to the Nixon case where it's repayable when the club feels it is able to do so. There's no route for us to be forced to pay it back on request which is what's being asked. Nixon did the same and settled for around 200k on (I think) 600k? I can see this going the same way.

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1 hour ago, ATLIS said:

I don't exactly think it's drama within the boardroom, what you seem to be getting at is Hogarth and whoever else it was in court. Allegedly Hogarth was caught stealing from the club (mainly 'borrowing' money with the intention to pay it back without anyone noticing due to his own personal COVID losses). If that's true and there's still a six-figure sum missing then we're right by all accounts to recover that and go through the proper channels to do so.

The other case I think is similar to the Nixon case where it's repayable when the club feels it is able to do so. There's no route for us to be forced to pay it back on request which is what's being asked. Nixon did the same and settled for around 200k on (I think) 600k? I can see this going the same way.

The Neil Rankine legacy still haunting us.

Maybe trying his luck grabbing the Hogarth money, if we manage to recover it from him.

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1 hour ago, LIVIFOREVER said:

The Neil Rankine legacy still haunting us.

Maybe trying his luck grabbing the Hogarth money, if we manage to recover it from him.

I imagine that it'll be fairly easy for us to just argue that it'll be used to plug the losses from the last year that are public knowledge.

I don't think there's anything to really worry about, we've done the due diligence with Hogarth and Rankine will likely settle I'd imagine.

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Arfield away to MLS, Paton away to QP. 


I wonder when we'll actually make a signing. Players back on Sunday for preseason and as it stands we're in dire need of some signings. Not like us to leave it late, but that's the consequences of the financial position we're into now.

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19 minutes ago, ATLIS said:

Arfield away to MLS, Paton away to QP. 


I wonder when we'll actually make a signing. Players back on Sunday for preseason and as it stands we're in dire need of some signings. Not like us to leave it late, but that's the consequences of the financial position we're into now.

Yeah, I don't think we're leaving it late by choice as we've already missed out on Kane, Kerr, Deas, Ashcroft and Tait. So it's not like we're not trying. I'd imagine there will be a good few new faces turning up on Sunday

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I’m not convinced we’re in that much of a rush to get players in. At the moment we have

GK - George, Hamilton

RB - Brandon

CB- Boyes, Di Lucas, Obileye, Parkes

LB -Montano, Penrice

AM/CM- Sean Kelly, Stephen Kelly, Pittman, Holt, Shinnie, 

Wingers - Bahamboula, Bradley, Nouble

CF - Anderson, Guthrie, Goncalves

RB sticks out as the priority, with probably backup CF and backup wingers the next option. Add in the fact that Penrice, Kelly and Kelly can all play multiple positions, and it looks like we can wait to get quality over quantity 

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Pretty sure English contracts run until the end of June, so there's also the small chance we have one or two from down there signed and won't be announced until they're officially away from their current club.

As highlighted above we have a pretty strong squad as a starting point, and our priority will be players who can improve us rather than a wee scramble to get enough players signed.

Friendlies are almost always shite but I'm actually looking forward to the two we've got to see what jobbers/world beaters we play as trialists.

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1 hour ago, The Wrong Car said:

I’m not convinced we’re in that much of a rush to get players in. At the moment we have

GK - George, Hamilton

RB - Brandon

CB- Boyes, Di Lucas, Obileye, Parkes

LB -Montano, Penrice

AM/CM- Sean Kelly, Stephen Kelly, Pittman, Holt, Shinnie, 

Wingers - Bahamboula, Bradley, Nouble

CF - Anderson, Guthrie, Goncalves

RB sticks out as the priority, with probably backup CF and backup wingers the next option. Add in the fact that Penrice, Kelly and Kelly can all play multiple positions, and it looks like we can wait to get quality over quantity 

Not placing much hope on Devlin being fit then?

Also think Bitsindou is still with the club.

Actually wasnt there a boy from the youth side who mad an appearance on the bench a couple of times. Not sure if he was a real contender or whether he was there to make up numbers.

 

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Just now, Durnford said:

Not placing much hope on Devlin being fit then?

Also think Bitsindou is still with the club.

Actually wasnt there a boy from the youth side who mad an appearance on the bench a couple of times. Not sure if he was a real contender or whether he was there to make up numbers.

 

Genuinely forgot about Devlin and Bitsindou 😂

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Durnford said:

Not placing much hope on Devlin being fit then?

Also think Bitsindou is still with the club.

Actually wasnt there a boy from the youth side who mad an appearance on the bench a couple of times. Not sure if he was a real contender or whether he was there to make up numbers.

 

Lucas Stenhouse played in our historic Titanic Cup triumph and in the QPR friendly before that too, think he was an unused sub once or twice after that as well. Highly rated by all accounts but probably not quite there yet for what we need; would like to see him in the friendlies and possibly a League Cup game or two though.

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3 minutes ago, LiviLion said:

Lucas Stenhouse played in our historic Titanic Cup triumph and in the QPR friendly before that too, think he was an unused sub once or twice after that as well. Highly rated by all accounts but probably not quite there yet for what we need; would like to see him in the friendlies and possibly a League Cup game or two though.

Any idea what position?

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4 minutes ago, Durnford said:

Any idea what position?

I think he's a winger, but I haven't watched any of the youth team games (Or Gala Fairydean Rovers games) to know if that's true, I seem to remember it being out wide that he played in the games in Turkey.

Edit: Couple snippets from this article suggest that might be about right

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GALA Fairydean Rovers on-loan winger Lucas Stenhouse made his first team debut for Livingston last Tuesday November 29, coming off the bench in the 80th minute in the club’s 2-1 defeat to Queens Park Rangers at Lofthus Road in London.

“I kept shouting to Steph (Omeonga) and Jacko to give him the ball because I wanted to see him get at his full back and I think he did that on one occasion.

Transfermarkt also has his appearances for GFR being all across the front 3.

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2 hours ago, The Wrong Car said:

I’m not convinced we’re in that much of a rush to get players in. At the moment we have

GK - George, Hamilton

RB - Brandon

CB- Boyes, Di Lucas, Obileye, Parkes

LB -Montano, Penrice

AM/CM- Sean Kelly, Stephen Kelly, Pittman, Holt, Shinnie, 

Wingers - Bahamboula, Bradley, Nouble

CF - Anderson, Guthrie, Goncalves

RB sticks out as the priority, with probably backup CF and backup wingers the next option. Add in the fact that Penrice, Kelly and Kelly can all play multiple positions, and it looks like we can wait to get quality over quantity 

That squad gives me the fear, a few in there i hope we're moving on, that just aren't good enough.

RB is an obvious position we're needing a signing, but up front only Anderson is up to it, and he didn't have a great season with injuries, we're severely lacking in that area. Had hopes for Bahamboula but in the post split games he looked really poor, Nouble will prob be away too, so could do with a signing in that position too. LB and CM are the only positions we're looking ok for really, maybe GK too, as although Hamilton gets ridicule from past experience at other clubs, he looked ok as a back up to Shamal. 

Think we have a fair bit of business needing done to get us ready for next season, moving some players on, and signing replacements, as well as a couple more signing to strengthen the squad. Our budget restrictions has reportedly lost us a few target signings already though, which is a worry, hopefully Martindale can work his magic and get us some from cheaper markets that are either unearthed gems, or players who've bounced about a bit and needing a new start to get their careers back on track. We'll hopefully see some movement to and from the club come July right enough, from the market in England's lower leagues.

 

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1 hour ago, LiviLion said:

Pretty sure English contracts run until the end of June, so there's also the small chance we have one or two from down there signed and won't be announced until they're officially away from their current club.

As highlighted above we have a pretty strong squad as a starting point, and our priority will be players who can improve us rather than a wee scramble to get enough players signed.

Friendlies are almost always shite but I'm actually looking forward to the two we've got to see what jobbers/world beaters we play as trialists.

Aye the friendlies will be interesting for playing trialists, i don't think we're allowed to play them in the League Cup games, which is a pity, i'm sure Martindale will be working hard behind the scenes trying to get a few players in though. He's well aware he needs to freshen the squad up a good bit, from seeing how poor a run we were on at the end of last season.

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Just now, Troy.1995 said:

God help us if we're going with Anderson Guthrie and Goncalves up front assuming Nouble goes.Id say up front is surely a priority otherwise I feel wel struggle.🤷‍♂️.

Yeah defensively we were really poor last season too, a lot is riding on Devlin staying fit, as Obileye has his limitations and prone to the odd brain fart moment, and Boyes & de Lucas haven't been consistent enough, maybe with a full pre season de Lucas will be better, perhaps unfair judging him last season with him being new to our game too. Parkes will also have the benefit of the pre season under his belt, and will hopefully stay fit. We really could do with getting a  good CB pairing sorted, so we've a settled defence that know one another well, that would go a long way to helping improve that area.

Guess we're stuck with Goncalves and Guthrie till either their contracts run out, or they manage to get a move, they've both been told to look for other clubs, but who'd want them.

 

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