hk blues Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 1 minute ago, GordonD said: Everyday life in Dundee but you'll miss it when you go back to the Philippines. Harsh. But fair. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 2 hours ago, The Moonster said: There's no difference in law. You're responsible for your pet whether it's a cat, dog, snake or bearded dragon. Depends on the incident though, you aren't required to report a road accident with a cat but you are with a dog. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, hk blues said: Depends on the incident though, you aren't required to report a road accident with a cat but you are with a dog. I wasn't aware of that but it's not really relevant here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 4 hours ago, Bairnardo said: I know Mr Alli is very protective of his dog(s?) and so he should be as they are part of his family, but we're not really comparing cats and dogs in terms of level of owner responsibility are we? Absolutely. Just because owners really can't be bothered with cats doesn't diminish the fact that they should be held responsible if they're going around munching rabbits, birds etc. Seems to be a lot of "it'll no be like that when the dug rips a toddlers face off" coupled with "Aye bit cats are feral lit ken, wit they like". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 23 minutes ago, Mr. Alli said: Absolutely. Just because owners really can't be bothered with cats doesn't diminish the fact that they should be held responsible if they're going around munching rabbits, birds etc. Seems to be a lot of "it'll no be like that when the dug rips a toddlers face off" coupled with "Aye bit cats are feral lit ken, wit they like". Evidence that cat owners "can't really be bothered with cats" please. Are you seriously advocating cat owners being prosecuted every time a wild bird or rabbit meets it's end? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, The Moonster said: Evidence that cat owners "can't really be bothered with cats" please. Are you seriously advocating cat owners being prosecuted every time a wild bird or rabbit meets it's end? I'm advocating cat owners should be prosecuted when their cats are going around eating what their basic hunting instinct compels them to eat, yes. Much the same as is being put towards dog owners when their own hunting instinct kicks in. Edit : the evidence is clear for all to see, read the "Show us your pussy" where folk are saying they just leave their cat to roam and fend for itself. People on this very topic saying "cats can't be trained". Edited February 23, 2021 by Mr. Alli 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmouth Strikes Again Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 FFS. I'll be looking at a ten to fifteen stretch. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 11 minutes ago, Bigmouth Strikes Again said: FFS. I'll be looking at a ten to fifteen stretch. Double murder along with some cruel and unusual (by the look it the scene) fir me this week Will be finding that fucking bell of his tonight 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 13 minutes ago, Mr. Alli said: I'm advocating cat owners should be prosecuted when their cats are going around eating what their basic hunting instinct compels them to eat, yes. Much the same as is being put towards dog owners when their own hunting instinct kicks in. Edit : the evidence is clear for all to see, read the "Show us your pussy" where folk are saying they just leave their cat to roam and fend for itself. People on this very topic saying "cats can't be trained". Well no, if a dog caught and munched a wild rabbit nobody would be pressing charges, unless of course you were partaking in some illegal lamping. You seem to want cat owners done for things dog owners wouldn't be done for. People saying cats can't be trained are clearly idiots and I'm not aware of anyone celebrating the kill of an infant or another pet in the cat thread. Cats can be left to roam for themselves because they damage they cause to property is minimal and they are independent animals, dogs are not. This doesn't equate to people not really bothering about cats though, if cats enjoyed being walked by humans more folk would do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, The Moonster said: Well no, if a dog caught and munched a wild rabbit nobody would be pressing charges, unless of course you were partaking in some illegal lamping. You seem to want cat owners done for things dog owners wouldn't be done for. People saying cats can't be trained are clearly idiots and I'm not aware of anyone celebrating the kill of an infant or another pet in the cat thread. Cats can be left to roam for themselves because they damage they cause to property is minimal and they are independent animals, dogs are not. This doesn't equate to people not really bothering about cats though, if cats enjoyed being walked by humans more folk would do it. Kind of with Mr. Alli on this. Cats are not pets IMO but if people want them to be then they have to take responsibility for them. Posting a picture of a disemboweled pigeon on the SYP thread isn't responsible (sorry @Bairnardo ). Edited February 23, 2021 by jimbaxters -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 1 minute ago, jimbaxters said: Kind of with Mr. Alli on this. Cats are not pets IMO but if people want them to be then they have to take responsibility for them. Posting a picture of a disemboweled pigeon on the SYP thread isn't responsible (sorry Bairnado). Wot? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Just now, Bairnardo said: Wot? Given the independent nature and the fact that they are allowed to roam anywhere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 9 minutes ago, The Moonster said: Well no, if a dog caught and munched a wild rabbit nobody would be pressing charges, unless of course you were partaking in some illegal lamping. You seem to want cat owners done for things dog owners wouldn't be done for. I never once said the rabbit was wild, nor I wouldn't want a dog owner charged. I was using what I would perceive as an immediate food chain as an example. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die hard doonhamer Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 4 hours ago, The Moonster said: There's no difference in law. You're responsible for your pet whether it's a cat, dog, snake or bearded dragon. Is this really the case, given that the prosecution would be under the dangerous dogs act? Is there an equivalent for other animals? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 I think this argument is being made on an emotional level and I don't blame Mr Alli one bit for that. I just cant really get serious about me being prosecuted for my cat nailing a pigeon. I can accept perhaps that the pic of it wasn't in the best taste, but that's not someones pigeon so even that's a stretch. Other peoples pets aren't part of the food chain and appropriate control of your own pet is needed on that basis 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 A cat killing a wild animal that doesn’t belong to anyone isn’t the same as a dog killing someone’s pet cat that seems so incredibly obvious that I’m sure I must be misreading posts 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin.Hood Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 18 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: I think this argument is being made on an emotional level and I don't blame Mr Alli one bit for that. I just cant really get serious about me being prosecuted for my cat nailing a pigeon. I can accept perhaps that the pic of it wasn't in the best taste, but that's not someones pigeon so even that's a stretch. Other peoples pets aren't part of the food chain and appropriate control of your own pet is needed on that basis Can a cat tell the difference between a racing pigeon and a non racing pigeon. Didnt realise someone I know races pigeons. A bit different but he seems to have did it for a number of years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin.Hood Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, NotThePars said: A cat killing a wild animal that doesn’t belong to anyone isn’t the same as a dog killing someone’s pet cat that seems so incredibly obvious that I’m sure I must be misreading posts A pet cat that does whatever the f**k it wants... if cats stayed indoors we wouldn't have messages up every day on Facebook ( Mrs tells me ) of how somebody's cat has went missing for a few days when in reality the cat has just fucked off for a while and will return or it's been hit by a car. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 So the update is that the dogs' owner often takes them to the park and encourages them to kill the rabbits there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 44 minutes ago, jimbaxters said: Kind of with Mr. Alli on this. Cats are not pets IMO but if people want them to be then they have to take responsibility for them. Posting a picture of a disemboweled pigeon on the SYP thread isn't responsible (sorry @Bairnardo ). Cats are pets as much as dogs are, we domesticated them so if you're arguing cats shouldn't be kept then neither should dogs. I'm quite happy for people not to post pictures of their cats wild kills online, but at the same time I'd question why a guy who clearly doesn't like cats would go onto a thread specifically dedicated to cats. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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