Guest Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Our prize money has gone up by about 300k the past few seasons has it not the same as one decent sale. I'd be surprised if anyone will pay that up front for Gallacher either until hes proven himself in the first team.a bit more. Already turned down 300k from stoke We got 300k+ for Blair and Botti and they had hardly played 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Just now, Back Post Misses said: Already turned down 300k from stoke I think their kidding themselves if they think they'll get more this window. He needs to spend some time in the first team to get some real money. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 I think their kidding themselves if they think they'll get more this window. He needs to spend some time in the first team to get some real money. But the 300k will still be there for them to take if they are desperate, and they will be. He has a year left on his contract. They have to sell someone. I don't like it any more than you but they run the club 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bainsfordbairn Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 31 minutes ago, Back Post Misses said: He has a year left on his contract. What if we offer a new contract beyond the end of the upcoming season? Would that not increase our bargaining power? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Back Post Misses said: Already turned down 300k from stoke We got 300k+ for Blair and Botti and they had hardly played Aye for the two of them together maybe. It just shows how much of a shambles we are that we've let our supposedly most promising youngsters contract run down to a year. Ok We'll get compo but we have zero control over that. Clubs like Hamilton are so much better at managing their young talent coming through. Edited June 1, 2017 by Shadwell Dog 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDust Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 4 hours ago, RC55 FFC said: I agree that we need a proper RWB/RB in, i'm just sceptical based on previous recruitment drives. I think it's more likely he'll invest in an experienced left back & another centre half to replace McCracken. Unless Grant is sold, I cant see us adding to the centre halves we have, we went with the three/four minus McCracken from January or so onwards. Finlayson surely must be thereabouts for first team at the age of 19 if he is as highly rated as suggested, the word going about a day after our season ended was that more of the development team to feature this coming season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Unless Grant is sold, I cant see us adding to the centre halves we have, we went with the three/four minus McCracken from January or so onwards. Finlayson surely must be thereabouts for first team at the age of 19 if he is as highly rated as suggested, the word going about a day after our season ended was that more of the development team to feature this coming season. First person I have heard saying Finlayson is highly rated TBH 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Aye for the two of them together maybe. It just shows how much of a shambles we are that we've let our supposedly most promising youngsters contract run down to a year. Ok We'll get compo but we have zero control over that. Clubs like Hamilton are so much better at managing their young talent coming through. Maybe Hamilton have a better quality? Who is the last player to break through and become a first team regular? McGrandles? It is either we don't have the quality or the Manager refuses to play them. I would suggest it is more likely to be the former. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANEWHOPE Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Maybe Hamilton have a better quality? Who is the last player to break through and become a first team regular? McGrandles? It is either we don't have the quality or the Manager refuses to play them. I would suggest it is more likely to be the former. The same manager that when at Dundee United was convinced that they had any youngsters that were good enough to make it in the first team! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 The same manager that when at Dundee United was convinced that they had any youngsters that were good enough to make it in the first team! Think that is a mythHe either introduced or developed the following players who brought in a fortune for Dundee UtdGoodwillieGauldAllenArmstrongRyan DowJonny Russell Tell me one in our set up outside Gallacher that we have who is going to make the step up and make a huge difference?We are just not producing a Kingsley, Sibbald, Fulton or a McGrandles at the moment. Go speak to the guys involved at the academy they will tell you that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Fitzgerald Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 The same manager that when at Dundee United was convinced that they had any youngsters that were good enough to make it in the first team! You're having a laugh if you think our young players are anywhere near as good as Gauld, Armstrong, Mackay-Steven, Russell, Goodwillie etc were when they broke through. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wullie robb Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 53 minutes ago, Trump said: You're having a laugh if you think our young players are anywhere near as good as Gauld, Armstrong, Mackay-Steven, Russell, Goodwillie etc were when they broke through. Anybody that thinks Falkirk will churn out decent youth player's season after season are deluded, we've had a few but no more than other academies. Falkirk football club would no doubt welcome a few lads that they can sell on every season. Falkirk football club need to concentrate on signing player's to get out of the championship first and foremost. If any youth player's show potential give them half a season in the top junior league, they would learn more in that six months than they ever will playing youth football and come back better for it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumigoo Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Think that is a mythHe either introduced or developed the following players who brought in a fortune for Dundee UtdGoodwillieGauldAllenArmstrongRyan DowJonny Russell Tell me one in our set up outside Gallacher that we have who is going to make the step up and make a huge difference?We are just not producing a Kingsley, Sibbald, Fulton or a McGrandles at the moment. Go speak to the guys involved at the academy they will tell you that. Sorry but from a United perspective he didn't play a major role in the development of the players you have listed. Both Cathro and Stevie Campbell were the ones who developed the majority of our real star youngsters and in fact Houston, some would argue, held back on giving more game time to Armstrong, Russell and Allen in particular. I can't comment on the quality of Falkirk's youth players but I don't think Houston is the ideal person to be nurturing young talent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudu Dahan pal Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 in what way did Ryan Dow bring in a fortune to Dundee United 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 2 hours ago, Back Post Misses said: Maybe Hamilton have a better quality? Who is the last player to break through and become a first team regular? McGrandles? It is either we don't have the quality or the Manager refuses to play them. I would suggest it is more likely to be the former. Whatever the quality Hamilton don't let their contracts run down so that they have absolutely no bargaining power when it comes to selling them. Do you think Wigan would've paid 1.7 mill for Mccarthy if he'd only had a year left on his contract? To let Gallachers contract get down to one year is sheer incompetence in my opinion. I understand that as they get older its very difficult to get them on a long term deal like Sibbald but at least we've had 200 odd games out of him. Ally Crawford at Hamiltons last contract he signed was for 4 years . Now don't get me wrong he'll move for nothing I'd think when that runs out but he's 25 so again they've had 200 odd games out of him. We have to remember that we've moved on virtually a whole generation of players in recent years. Kingsley, McGrandles, Blair, Biabi are all what 21/22. You only get a batch like that once in a blue moon. Most years your lucky if you get one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDust Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 3 hours ago, Back Post Misses said: First person I have heard saying Finlayson is highly rated TBH Scotland caps and another contract taking him till he is 20 suggests he is rated. Its been mentioned plenty times that the our best prospects were both full backs. Houstie hasn't really done anything in three seasons with our development squad, very short glimpses of Blair, O'Hara and Gallacher hasn't cut it for me. If Muirhead and Kidd put in displays of last season and Finlayson at the age of 19 isn't better than that, what is the point of our development squad ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bainsfordbairn Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Shadwell Dog said: Whatever the quality Hamilton don't let their contracts run down so that they have absolutely no bargaining power when it comes to selling them. Do you think Wigan would've paid 1.7 mill for Mccarthy if he'd only had a year left on his contract? To let Gallachers contract get down to one year is sheer incompetence in my opinion. I understand that as they get older its very difficult to get them on a long term deal like Sibbald but at least we've had 200 odd games out of him. Ally Crawford at Hamiltons last contract he signed was for 4 years . Now don't get me wrong he'll move for nothing I'd think when that runs out but he's 25 so again they've had 200 odd games out of him. We have to remember that we've moved on virtually a whole generation of players in recent years. Kingsley, McGrandles, Blair, Biabi are all what 21/22. You only get a batch like that once in a blue moon. Most years your lucky if you get one. Youth players get initial contracts of two years on graduation from FVFA and if they show anything during that time the club move quickly to tie them up for longer. It's entirely up to the parents & player as to whether they sign an extension and how long they'll commit for. Gallacher is being monitored by some very big clubs in England. Under those circumstances, do you really think he'll accept something like a three year extension to stay with us? There are players at Falkirk who have offers from the club to extend beyond next summer, when their current contracts expire. That's not my definition of "sheer incompetence". Just because you don't know about something doesn't mean it hasn't happened. In the meantime, you're blaming the club for something that is entirely outwith their control. Edited June 2, 2017 by Bainsfordbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Bainsfordbairn said: Youth players get initial contracts of two years on graduation from FVFA and if they show anything during that time the club move quickly to tie them up for longer. It's entirely up to the parents & player as to whether they sign an extension and how long they'll commit for. Gallacher is being monitored by some very big clubs in England. Under those circumstances, do you really think he'll accept something like a three year extension to stay with us? There are players at Falkirk who have offers from the club to extend beyond next summer, when their current contracts expire. That's not my definition of "sheer incompetence". Just because you don't know about something doesn't mean it hasn't happened. In the meantime, you're blaming the club for something that is entirely outwith their control. Of course he'll not accept a new deal now. Its far too late. If he's so promising why has it taken so long? Perhaps we should be asking how come teams like Hamilton can get their most promising players to sign 4 year deals and yet we cant get ours to do it? Gallacher didn't suddenly become a promising player over night for christs sake. You need to get these guys on long term contracts early doors before other clubs come sniffing about them. The way they have dealt with the likes of McCarthy, Mccarthur and Crawford shows you how we should be looking after our young players to get the best return. Whether that be from playing a couple of 100 games for the first team or getting the maximum sell on fee available. We were getting clubs sniffing about Sibbald when he first came into the first team but we managed his situation perfectly and he's still here 8 years on. Yes he'll go for nothing probaby but I can put up with that for the 200 odd games he's played for us. How can we get him so right and make such an arse of the Gallacher situation? Edited June 2, 2017 by Shadwell Dog 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieBairn Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Is sibbald ready for the premier league? He has the skill but if he had pace to go with his skill he would be playing down South. IMO at present he is definitely good enough to be a regular starter for a bottom six Prem team and a good squad player for a top 6 side but other Falkirk fans will probably differ in opinion. I may be way off the mark. He has been a great servant and it will be a sad day when he eventually leaves. Maybe he will flourish more in a better team. At times his skill is different class for this league and many MOTM performances. Love the boy! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 1 minute ago, RichieBairn said: He has the skill but if he had pace to go with his skill he would be playing down South. IMO at present he is definitely good enough to be a regular starter for a bottom six Prem team and a good squad player for a top 6 side but other Falkirk fans will probably differ in opinion. I may be way off the mark. He has been a great servant and it will be a sad day when he eventually leaves. Maybe he will flourish more in a better team. At times his skill is different class for this league and many MOTM performances. Love the boy! Problem is fitting him into your team to get the maximum out of him. We haven't done that for some reason. we may this season when he signs back on for a year but I doubt it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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