AGPar Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 27 minutes ago, SouthStander1876 said: Think people are missing the point of Oliver in this side. He’s not there to be a goal scoring striker he’s there to link up the play and bring the wingers into the game which I think he does very well. Although he doesn’t have the sharp finishing you’d expect of a lone striker, we wouldn’t have had half as many chances as we do with him not there. He's playing up front for Falkirk against some truly terrible opposition in the third tier of Scottish football. He should therefore be absolutely capable of scoring goals, and the fact that he isn't is the reason fans simply don't rate him. I cannot understand this "either or" type argument that his cheerleaders are putting forward. He should be able to do both. Juan Alegria, in the first home game against QOS in August, was on the park for about 55 minutes, during which he scored one, created another and never gave their centre halves a single moment of respite. He was superb that day, that was the standard, and whilst by no means consistent, he could offer a bit of everything, physicality, ability to hold up the ball and genuine threat to the opposition. Oliver lacks the latter and is no where near the same level. Not even close. Whilst you'll get away with that against a rancid Clyde team, you won't against any sort of semi-competent opposition. Alegria to Oliver is such a downgrade. Oliver had a decent enough game today, but we've now got a far tougher run of fixtures on the horizon and far better is needed. Hopefully that is addressed this week with the addition of a proper centre forward, preferably one who is now miles down the pecking order at Tynecastle. 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Dufresne Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 In the last few years we would have folded as soon as the sending off of Donaldson,this season we are willing to fight. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bairn88 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 The navy blue pound outlay at Alloa next week is going to be off the charts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
printer Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 46 minutes ago, AGPar said: He's playing up front for Falkirk against some truly terrible opposition in the third tier of Scottish football. He should therefore be absolutely capable of scoring goals, and the fact that he isn't is the reason fans simply don't rate him. I cannot understand this "either or" type argument that his cheerleaders are putting forward. He should be able to do both. Juan Alegria, in the first home game against QOS in August, was on the park for about 55 minutes, during which he scored one, created another and never gave their centre halves a single moment of respite. He was superb that day, that was the standard, and whilst by no means consistent, he could offer a bit of everything, physicality, ability to hold up the ball and genuine threat to the opposition. Oliver lacks the latter and is no where near the same level. Not even close. Whilst you'll get away with that against a rancid Clyde team, you won't against any sort of semi-competent opposition. Alegria to Oliver is such a downgrade. Oliver had a decent enough game today, but we've now got a far tougher run of fixtures on the horizon and far better is needed. Hopefully that is addressed this week with the addition of a proper centre forward, preferably one who is now miles down the pecking order at Tynecastle. Are you referring to Euan Henderson? He's not a centre forward. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge of allan bairn Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Brockvillenomore said: Most amazing stat outside our own turnaround in this table is that after only 6 wins in their first 19 games Queens Park still got promoted. There's hope for everyone! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gav-ffc Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 10 minutes ago, bridge of allan bairn said: Most amazing stat outside our own turnaround in this table is that after only 6 wins in their first 19 games Queens Park still got promoted. There's hope for everyone! Believe QP have won more games this season in the championship than they did in league 1 last season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbrbairn Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 2 hours ago, superandy_07 said: Thanks. Incredible improvement but still work to do 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBairn Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 2 hours ago, Duncan Freemason said: That’s twice in a little over three weeks that we’ve put teams to the sword in the last ten minutes or so of the game. That’s a great habit to have gotten into. Last season, we were throwing the towel in after half an hour. Electing to play without a recognised CF and coming out of it 4 goals to the good is a pretty impressive bit of game management (regardless of the opposition). Agreed. McGlynn has ‘rotated’ the striking position between the 4 forwards. Oliver can drop deep with the ball, and any one of Nesbitt, Morrison, or Kennedy will move upfront as the cover. At one point today when things were stretched, I even saw McGinn move to wide right. The management have got this lot well drilled. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBairn Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Andy Dufresne said: In the last few years we would have folded as soon as the sending off of Donaldson,this season we are willing to fight. Yes, it’s been a long while since I’ve seen us play that well even after Donaldson walked. If anything, we stayed on the ascendancy and got a couple of shots away. Changed days indeed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbrbairn Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 Its our games against the mighty KELTIE that has us behind the Pars so much! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBairn Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Tea and Busquets said: Based on what? His hold up play is decent, he runs in behind, his touch is very good and brings others into play? Obviously he doesn’t score enough but when he helps bring Morrison, Nesbitt and Kennedy into play that shouldn’t be a worry. Agree. Oliver does exactly what he’s been told to do and brings the other forwards in to play. He made himself a nuisance last week and today, certainly played his part. If even to tire their defenders until Burrell gets the last 30 mins. I’m also of the school that you don’t change a winning team, and Oliver is in the starting 11 on merit. Edited January 14, 2023 by GunnerBairn 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBairn Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 6 hours ago, roman_bairn said: What is it with referees at TFS?…. FFS! Given McGlynn was given a telling off by the ref he must’ve been raging at his performance. Wonder if he’ll think of appealing Donaldson’s red and have him available for the next few games which are all important. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbrbairn Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 Who is Jack Cunningham who hit the bar at half time? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 We won 4-0 and still some c***s are moaning. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grangemouth Bairn Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 56 minutes ago, Bigbrbairn said: Who is Jack Cunningham who hit the bar at half time? I know Jack’s dad and uncle very well. He’s a diehard bairn who helps out with the kits every week voluntarily. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gav-ffc Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 The tackle on Henderson is worse than I remember, a clear red. I think we’ll see Donaldson red be rescinded it’s a clear yellow. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 9 hours ago, AGPar said: He's playing up front for Falkirk against some truly terrible opposition in the third tier of Scottish football. He should therefore be absolutely capable of scoring goals, and the fact that he isn't is the reason fans simply don't rate him. I cannot understand this "either or" type argument that his cheerleaders are putting forward. He should be able to do both. Juan Alegria, in the first home game against QOS in August, was on the park for about 55 minutes, during which he scored one, created another and never gave their centre halves a single moment of respite. He was superb that day, that was the standard, and whilst by no means consistent, he could offer a bit of everything, physicality, ability to hold up the ball and genuine threat to the opposition. Oliver lacks the latter and is no where near the same level. Not even close. Whilst you'll get away with that against a rancid Clyde team, you won't against any sort of semi-competent opposition. Alegria to Oliver is such a downgrade. Oliver had a decent enough game today, but we've now got a far tougher run of fixtures on the horizon and far better is needed. Hopefully that is addressed this week with the addition of a proper centre forward, preferably one who is now miles down the pecking order at Tynecastle. He won’t be leaving Tynecastle this window IMO or he would already have. My preference is someone from down south TBH. If he can be the quality of Rowe that will do for me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LatapyBairn. Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 (edited) How does the appeals procedure work in our division? Am I right in saying it costs the club money if the decision is upheld? Even watching that Coll Donaldson challenge back (and it does look worse on video than it did at the time) it’s still not a straight red, his feet aren’t high and his studs aren’t up, it wasn’t malicious just poorly timed and he arrived late hence catching the Clyde player. Loosing him for 3 games is a big blow but I could see an appeal being pointless as it probably doesn’t fall into the category of “clear and obvious error” that seems to used as a criteria. Edited January 15, 2023 by LatapyBairn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 1 hour ago, LatapyBairn. said: How does the appeals procedure work in our division? Am I right in saying it costs the club money if the decision is upheld? Even watching that Coll Donaldson challenge back (and it does look worse on video than it did at the time) it’s still not a straight red, his feet aren’t high and his studs aren’t up, it wasn’t malicious just poorly timed and he arrived late hence catching the Clyde player. Loosing him for 3 games is a big blow but I could see an appeal being pointless as it probably doesn’t fall into the category of “clear and obvious error” that seems to used as a criteria. It’s a very poor challenge at best considering some other challenges throughout the game, which should have been a yellow. I’m sure that the costs involved would deem this a non starter in the appeals process. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LatapyBairn. Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Springfield said: It’s a very poor challenge at best considering some other challenges throughout the game, which should have been a yellow. I’m sure that the costs involved would deem this a non starter in the appeals process. I don’t think there are any costs involved if the appeal is successful and even if unsuccessful it surely can’t be particularly expensive? It’s only if the decision is upheld the club is liable for the fees I think, maybe somebody could clarify? Edited January 15, 2023 by LatapyBairn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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