Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!

[Hedgecutter]

Dunfermline Board Vote No

However, the Board of DAFC on behalf of its supporters, and the wider footballing community of Dunfermline and West Fife, can now confirm that it will not be voting in favour of any solution which involves "Newco" being parachuted into SFL Division 1 next year.

I take it Donald 'Yes' Findlay's Cowdenbeath isn't a part of that then?

(or does Cowden claim some 'Far West of Western Central Fife' tag or something?)

Well done the Pars though. Proud to have them as my 'big team'

Edited June 29, 2012 by Hedgecutter

[Pars of Fife]

http://www.dafc.co.uk/articles/20120629/dafc-board-statement-on-revised-sfasplsfl-proposals_2208030_2827302

Very proud to be a par, have to say fife's 'big' 2 diddy clubs have done us proud.

Lets keep the dominoes falling..

[Ravelin]

Dunfermline Board Vote No

Finding....this....very....hard...to...say...but....well done Dunfermline.

Now, who's next up for a collective pat on the back?

Ravelin

[EdinburghPar1975]

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Dunfermline Board Vote No

As a Pars fan i dont think i could have asked for a better statement, well done to the board

[Torfason]

Dunfermline Board Vote No

Maybe this is true then

http://www.thedailym...m-2012062932480

[madwullie]

This is the problem, not the global economic crisis,

OK.

My point regarding budgets still stands

[Thistle_do_nicely]

Dunfermline Board Vote No

"The revised proposals we have reviewed contain a number of suggestions that are entirely credible in isolation, and everyone agrees that the structure of Scottish Football must change, but it must be done for the right reasons and not used as some form of bargaining tool. The proposal document makes little or no mention of fans or their views, as was the case with the league reconstruction debate, and all these issues must now be put on the table to deliver a credible, equitable and viable solution. The document strongly implies that if the proposals are not accepted, then we will have financial meltdown in Scottish Football, but if the loyal fans across the country desert the game then commercial sponsors or TV companies will have no one to promote or broadcast to. The McLeish Report made a number of solid recommendations, but Scottish Football needs to be more radical with a number of additional matters being addressed as a matter of urgency, such as what do the paying public want? It would appear that the broad thrust of the McLeish Report appears to have been given immediate traction in the last couple of weeks, entirely for the wrong reasons."

YES.

Delighted to see a board making a decision that is broadly in line with what fans want, not just at their own club but within the wider footballing public.

Edit: not wanting to distract from the excellent stance Dunfermline have taken, but I'll be unbelievably disappointed if the Thistle board don't make a similar statement over the coming days. The silence since the hurried follow-up statement from our board due to fan backlash is becoming worrying.

Edited June 29, 2012 by Thistle_do_nicely

[Sting777]

Neither Pressley nor Ritchie have ever said categorically they would vote no, only that what's currently on offer is unacceptable. Don't know why the papers keep saying otherwise. And he doesn't indicate anything in this article how Falkirk will vote, the bit you highlight is not a quote..

Elvis was pretty clear on telly last night that he wanted NEWCO in Div 3

[killingfloorman]

Question no. 6 goes to Claymores - are you just trying to up your post count?

Remember he is employed by a local authority, It's not as if he has work to occupy his time

[Hedgecutter]

Maybe this is true then

http://www.thedailym...m-2012062932480

“Given that most of the kids in Glasgow University are called things like Tara and Gideon rather than Janey or Wee Fucka that’s doubtful but, y’know, dare to dream.”...

...Their first fixture of the new season will be against The Pope’s Head

[Guest]

Excellent statement from the Pars, you should be proud of your Club

[Hannibal Lecturer]

yep, the clubs stance on things (based on Ritchie's statement) reads to me that we wont deal as it stands but if you make us a better offer....

poor stuff.

MR really really worries me, he can not be trusted to do the right thing IMO. As for Elvis, why should he have a say but the fans don't, I'm not interested in his opinion.

[Scotland1314]

Well done to the Pars. Right decision, if only Neil Doncaster had backbone like this.

Dunfermline Board Vote No

[craigkillie]

OK.

My point regarding budgets still stands

Absolutely, clubs are in trouble either way. But surely they'd rather be in trouble and have their supporters behind them to galvanise and raise money if needed. The alternative is that they are relying on other clubs and commercial partners, with a reduced and less sympathetic fan base.

Clubs don't seem to realise that even if they get back to the SPL, the new Rangers won't be anything like the old Rangers. They're already splitting into factions and the infighting will continue. Their fanbase is almost certain to be lower, and they may boycott clubs.

[ayrmad]

Dunfermline Board Vote No

Well done The Pars, the guy on the radio had me wondering.

[Borys]

Maybe this is true then

http://www.thedailym...m-2012062932480

Cute

Borys

[welshbairn]

yep, the clubs stance on things (based on Ritchie's statement) reads to me that we wont deal as it stands but if you make us a better offer....

poor stuff.

After the blackmail letter it would be almost impossible to do a deal now, but if, say, they offered 3 leagues of 14; 2 up and 2 down plus a 3rd v 12th play off place; fairer distribution of revenue and voting rights; a pyramid system only if the clubs involved wanted it; tight financial rules to prevent cheating as a route to success; summer football, the abolition of the SPL, and a yellow card amnesty in cups at the stage the top tier teams enter, then I might consider giving integrity a wee holiday.. oh, and one of those massive tellys for Westfield would be nice..

Edited June 29, 2012 by welshbairn

[craigkillie]

Jane Lewis on Twitter saying that Rangers still haven't provided SFA with documentation to support their application.

The Scottish Cup preliminary draw is on Tuesday - surely they need to know if "Rangers" will be involved so they know how many ties are required?

[HibeeJibee]

Has Elvis had a wee change of heart....not what you were saying last night big man!

Well, I for one am flabergasted at this unexpected development.

[Oldyin]

Proposed plan to re-organise Scottish football on the STV website.

Even if half of whats written is true I cannot believe that the SFA is going to rubber stamp this. This is nothing but a cop out. For months this situation has been allowed to drag on. What has been shown is that the leadership of the SFA / SPL governing bodies are incapable of fairness, thought or decisive action. All we hear is that it is a very complex problem and is not easy to sort out. Well gentlemen thats exactly what you get paid big salaries to do - sort out problems.

This has demonstrated that the leadership of the SFA / SPL governing bodies are spineless and have been promoted into jobs far above their capabilities.

We are the laughing stock of football.

The basic problem is simple :-

1.The Newco is a new club and should apply in the normal way for membership of the SFA and if approved should start in the 3rd division.

2. If Elgin City or Huntly wanted to join the SFA, thats exactly what they would have to do. They would not expect to join division 1.

ANY other scenerio indicates that the rules governing all other clubs in the SFA do NOT apply to one of the big Glasgow two. If that is the case there is no point in going on.

Secondary problem - The Financial Implications :-

3. With the loss of Rangers from the SPL there is a financial implication. Excluding the easy option of item 2 above, what other avenues have been explored by the SFA / SPL governing bodies to mitigate this loss?

4. The proposed parachuting of Sevco into the first division is an insult, and a disgrace to the hardworking and rule abiding clubs from the SFL. The current plan is for them to be financially bribed to allow Sevco into the first division. If that doesn't work the SPL are bullying them to accept or they will be excluded from a proposed new SPL 2.

5. I sincerely hope that the SFL tell the SFA / SPL to take a hike. They have never shown any interest in the status or welfare of the lower division clubs. Now that they are in trouble they are turning to the SFL with a combination of bribery and bullying tactics to achieve what they want. Not a good combination for trying to obtaining a result. The SFA did not show any interest when Livingston were relegated for merely going into administration, so why are they inventing rules "on the hoof" to accommodate Rangers / Sevco who just about broke every rule in the book?

When Rangers (and Celtic) made serious noises over the years about quitting Scotland for the English leagues, they were not in the slightest bit interested in the financial state of Scottish football they would leave behind. So why are we bothered about Sevco. Surely we would be in the same position now as then.

To the suits of the SFA grasp the moment and develop some backbone. This is a one off chance to sort out and cleanse Scottish football once and for all.

Get on with it. Bite the bullet, take the pain (and there will be pain) and get re-organised into a fairer league set up with equal voting rights for all. One governing body to run it , with play offs and a fairer distribution of money. Never again must we be in a position where two clubs call the shots in Scottish football.