Pars 4 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 (edited) I was despairing that Div 1 was looking a certainty a few days ago but i really think things are moving in the right direction again. In thinking about the situation i am positive a deal can be hammered out that can work. If you consider moving to a 3 League system its not beyond the realms of possibility to put Newco in the lowest League next year, for promotion from that League to be into the new second Tier. That would mean that if Newco were successful they could be in the top League within 2 years. Combine that with proper play-offs, voting structures and financial distribution would most folk be happy? Edited July 11, 2012 by Pars 4 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monrovianmonk Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 "Meanwhile, BBC Scotland has learned a final decision on which club should replace the old Rangers in the Scottish Premier League is unlikely to take place before Monday." So the SPL are keeping options open to see what outcome of vote is on Friday then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Dogma Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 I was despairing that Div 1 was looking a certainty a few days ago but i really think things are moving in the right direction again. In thinking about the situation i am positive a deal can be hammered out that can work. If you consider moving to a 3 League system its not beyond the realms of possibility to put Newco in the lowest League next year, for promotion from that League to be into the new second Tier. That would mean that if Newco were successful they could be in the top League within 2 years. Combine that with proper play-offs, voting structures and financial distribution would most folk be happy? All fine in theory all newco will need is to write off thirty odd milion quid to cover running costs...ah well their problem not anyone else's 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz FFC Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 I was despairing that Div 1 was looking a certainty a few days ago but i really think things are moving in the right direction again. In thinking about the situation i am positive a deal can be hammered out that can work. If you consider moving to a 3 League system its not beyond the realms of possibility to put Newco in the lowest League next year, for promotion from that League to be into the new second Tier. That would mean that if Newco were successful they could be in the top League within 2 years. Combine that with proper play-offs, voting structures and financial distribution would most folk be happy? I'd be happier if we didn't do this just to accomodate a bunch of cheating chancers and did it because the authorities thought it was what we needed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pars 4 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 All fine in theory all newco will need is to write off thirty odd milion quid to cover running costs...ah well their problem not anyone else's Well yeah, if they cant run their club thats their problem.....again!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abel Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 I'd be happier if we didn't do this just to accomodate a bunch of cheating chancers and did it because the authorities thought it was what we needed. Unfortunately it was always going to take something major to facilitate change. "What we needed" is generally the last consideration. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pars 4 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 I'd be happier if we didn't do this just to accomodate a bunch of cheating chancers and did it because the authorities thought it was what we needed. I completely Agree, but This is an opportunity to make things better and if we can get out of it what Fans really want to see and Newco have to start at the bottom that has to be positive? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doink Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Maybe us diddies will be offered £40 million to protect the £80 million that will be lost 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Just did a quick trawl to see if any of the MSM / redtops / Succulents have carried a report on the Clyde FC document from yesterday - unless I'm going gaga, couldn't seem to find anything. Here we have possibly the most explosive, courageous and informed document ever put into the public domain regarding the governance of Scottish football and those who administer it and the source of this information is a member club of the SFA. It lays bare the scheming, the blackmailing and the downright lying being done by the two most senior executives in Scottish football and is to all intents and purposes a clarion call to other clubs for a "No Confidence" vote in Regan and Doncaster. Yet none of our so-called media outlets dare, or is it 'care', to give it any credence or 'traction'. Amazing. Just amazing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 (edited) Whether the settlement is contractual or not will become irrelevant if the clubs don't have the money to pay. We now have more detail than ever before on SPL income... for next season it was to be £16M UK TV, at least £2.75M overseas TV, plus £2M naming rights, plus secondary sponsorships, SFA solidary payment and UEFA's solidary payment which would probably total at least another £2M. Anyway that's £23M or so. We also know that last season (off £3M less - lower TV deal) they distributed about £17.5M to clubs, £1.8M to SFL, £375k in parchutes. That's £20M. Add X hundred £k for refs/wages. We also know SPL has to pay full Settlement if income is £6M or more. Not clear if £6M is before or after refs/wages. It seems inconceivable it'll fall that much. Edited July 11, 2012 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Buddie Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Just did a quick trawl to see if any of the MSM / redtops / Succulents have carried a report on the Clyde FC document from yesterday - unless I'm going gaga, couldn't seem to find anything. Here we have possibly the most explosive, courageous and informed document ever put into the public domain regarding the governance of Scottish football and those who administer it and the source of this information is a member club of the SFA. It lays bare the scheming, the blackmailing and the downright lying being done by the two most senior executives in Scottish football and is to all intents and purposes a clarion call to other clubs for a "No Confidence" vote in Regan and Doncaster. Yet none of our so-called media outlets dare, or is it 'care', to give it any credence or 'traction'. Amazing. Just amazing. Trouble is they can't write cos they have both hands squarely across their anuses to stop the brown stuff squishing ooot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drooper Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 The problem (well one of them) with what Doncaster and his merry men are doing, is that it's pretty much a self-fulfilling prophecy. They've talked the game down so much that any tv company or sponsor is going to give the game close to f**k all. They'll just cite what Doncaster and his cronies have been saying about the worth of our game with out Sevco and that's pretty much that. So, basically not only did he get us an appalling tv deal in the first place, he's been talking us out of any chance of a decent one in the near future. He has to go. Now. Sacked, resigned, I don't care. Just get him gone. This is a really good point. These guys are clearly incompetent and not 'fit for purpose'. Surely that, in itself, is grounds to bag them? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaffenThinMint Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 "Now look here Sharpe, I expect you at first light tomorrow to march on Hampden & give Renegan & the Cockwomble a damned good thrashing!" "What we going to do Pat? They say if we don't surrender and accept their terms it will be a slaughter for Scottish football." "Ah now I wouldn't be too sure about that, Sir. They also say ye'll end up like the League Of Ireland. Now wouldn't that be a grand thing, seeing as how clubs back in the old country can get results in Europe whilst yer overpaid nancy boys over here are just a big bag o'shyte?" "Bloody hell, Pat, you're right. DIDDY CLUBS - TO ME!" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speckled tangerine Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Ballantyne and Leishman on SSN just soudded like blethering idiots IMO, Wouldnt trust them with anything. Jim Leishman is now Provost of Fife. He 's even more inarticulate than that other bumbling fool, Eric Milligan, used to be in Edinburgh! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ribzanelli Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Unbelievable really that the SFL are expected to shoehorn Sevco in to the first division when we all know (Bury, Carlisle stories) that they would abandon the SFL and be off to England like a rat up a drainpipe given half a chance. I hope the chairman consider this when deciding how to cast their vote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz FFC Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 I completely Agree, but This is an opportunity to make things better and if we can get out of it what Fans really want to see and Newco have to start at the bottom that has to be positive? It is a positive, I'm just angry at the change of heart from the SPL. Their hardline stance previous should never be forgotten. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Just did a quick trawl to see if any of the MSM / redtops / Succulents have carried a report on the Clyde FC document from yesterday - unless I'm going gaga, couldn't seem to find anything. Here we have possibly the most explosive, courageous and informed document ever put into the public domain regarding the governance of Scottish football and those who administer it and the source of this information is a member club of the SFA. It lays bare the scheming, the blackmailing and the downright lying being done by the two most senior executives in Scottish football and is to all intents and purposes a clarion call to other clubs for a "No Confidence" vote in Regan and Doncaster. Yet none of our so-called media outlets dare, or is it 'care', to give it any credence or 'traction'. Amazing. Just amazing. Or. Predictable. Just predictable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 We also know SPL has to pay full Settlement if income is £6M or more. Not clear if £6M is before or after refs/wages. It seems inconceivable it'll fall that much. And even if it does then the payment is reduced not scrapped. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 (edited) Actually, there are 16 shares @ £1 each. I, and other posters, have long wondered whom the extra 4 shares belong to. Are the 4 extra shares not just held as "bought in" shares would be in a normal plc, then in the event that the SPL is increased by 2 or 4 teams they would be issued, rather than having to go to the expense of creating new shares and being subject to the other financial nonsense that involves? When SPL was formed one of the conditions of the Settlement Agreement was it had to expand to 12 by 2000. At foundation it wasn't clear how this would be worked (splits etc.). One idea - of a certain Campbell Ogilvie infact - was for the "old Austrian system": after 22 games the Top 8 split and play 14 = 36, while the Bottom 4 join the Top 4 from the First Division, also play 14 = 36. I understand this was the reason for a maximum share capital of 16 shares. Edited July 11, 2012 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlasgowCeltic.org Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 I was despairing that Div 1 was looking a certainty a few days ago but i really think things are moving in the right direction again. In thinking about the situation i am positive a deal can be hammered out that can work. If you consider moving to a 3 League system its not beyond the realms of possibility to put Newco in the lowest League next year, for promotion from that League to be into the new second Tier. That would mean that if Newco were successful they could be in the top League within 2 years. Combine that with proper play-offs, voting structures and financial distribution would most folk be happy? I'd be happier if they just applied the rules, instead of trying to rearrange the entirety of Scottish football in two weeks for the benefit of one club barely a month old. What's the rush to restructure the leagues for anyway? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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