The Old Northerner Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) It's hardly an apology. He deftly shifts the blame when he says: I apologise unreservedly to all for the distress, disruption and difficulty inflicted on the football community, caused entirely by the actions of people who failed miserably to act responsibly during their stewardship of Rangers. It's a sound enough statement. Blame doesn't equal responsibility. Murray/Whyte are to blame, Rangers(IA)/NewCo have (or will inherit) the responsibility Edited July 3, 2012 by The Old Northerner 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jungle bhoy Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 How much do the tickets go for now? I went to see them in the early eighties and I think the ticket was about a tenner. Seen them in the seventies think it was Farewell to Kings tour at the Apollo,you were robbed if you paid a tenner. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beermonkey Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 If SPL clubs wanted to know which way the wind was blowing, they'd only have to do a quick search of the Internet. As it stands Raith, Dunfermline, Morton, Stirling, East Fife, Stranraer, Annan, Peterhead have all openly stated their position as No. There are a few others who are definitely leant towards that too. Eight 'Nos' is enough, which makes me think you have this the wrong way round. This is about that donkey Doncaster and his cronies begging, bribing and cajoling the SFL clubs out of a widely adopted stance. I for one would cheer if the SFL stood firm and tore up every single one of the SPL's precious sponsorship contracts in the process. f**k them: they took all the money out of the lower leagues years ago, time to take the power back to the diddy clubs. Feck me, i'm actually in agreement with vikingtool ! You're still a twat though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) I hope when Doncaster goes he takes you with him. Creepy apologist c**t. Oh goody you're back in opinion Gestapo mode. It wouldn't surprise me at all if EPL, UEFA, infact most deals have such clauses. If I was a TV exec, I wouldn't commit to a 5yr TV deal if the big clubs that generate my viewing figures could all leave 1yr in, or a breakaway division could be formed, etc. etc. Presumably if the clauses were refused then TV would've paid less over these last X years. There's many, many things that've been revealed or have happened in the last 4 months which are outrageous, but the existence of such commercial clauses isn't (IMO) among them. Edited July 3, 2012 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drooper Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I hope when Doncaster goes he takes you with him. Creepy apologist cunt. Slightly harsh perhaps, but I laughed out loud nonetheless 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musketeer Gripweed Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I am starting to think the Greeks could run Scottish football better. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broccoli Dog Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 If you think Scottish football is messed up, you should see what's happening in the USA. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustyarabnuts Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Tony McKelvie @TonyMcKelvieNeil Doncaster says what the SPL needs to be able to compete with the top leagues in European Football is.. a Monorail.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSoa1b-yBUY View media Reply Retweet Favorite 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marty_j Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) So to recap Jim Traynor's "exclusives" 1)Last Monday we had 2Newco are in div 1 - you 14 year olds better accept that." Then SFL clubs all started saying GTF. 2)Yesterday we had "you had better let them in all YOU ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!" - thought it was nailed on Jim? 3)Today we had shhh secret deal SPL gonna let em back in Now Regan says SFA not allowing Newco into SPL. FINGER.ON.PULSE that lad Edited July 3, 2012 by marty_j 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alert Mongoose Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Why has it take Regan months to say that? A lot of this posturing could have been avoided. That was exactly what I was thinking myself?! Would have saved a hell of a lot of hassle. Why can't Doncaster et al realise that it really is too late to try and 'engineer' a route for the Newco into either the SPL or SFL? However it is done it will not satisfy the stakeholders of all other clubs including the international authorities a great number of clubs would probably go under in the resulting turmoil and backlash. Frankly if my own club takes a hit from this I won't shed too many tears - Houston's bleating about not being able to sign more players is quite frankly pathetic. Every club in the SPL will be 'suffering' the same way so would not weaken our relative position. Turnbull Hutton's interview is tremendous. He looks about as frustrated and angry as I feel! Perhaps it is time for some of the well run SFL clubs to be given recognition for this and replace some of the teams in the SPL who are clearly incapable of achieving the same result. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chazza1910 Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 You cannot state he is corrupt. (however much you and I dislike him). Doncaster has a duty of care towards the SPL clubs and it would be amiss to not point such things out. IF the contract has been botched and includes a clause, then as custodians of the SPL he has to duty. a) to inform them b) see what they the clubs wish to do about it. At the end of the days it boils down to what the clubs requirements are. Imagine the fury if they booted Rangers right out the game, no consultation and then told the chairmen .. sorry but the TV money went tits up .... and cue many more clubs going to the wall. The only the man is corrupt is if the clause does not exist .. if it does he has done the best he can. ( I for one would not like to be in that hot seat ... damned if does and damned if he doesn't) I didn't say he was corrupt, but that his values were. And they are. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) Oh goody you're back in opinion Gestapo mode. It wouldn't surprise me at all if EPL, UEFA, infact most leagues have such clauses. If I was a TV exec, I wouldn't commit to a 5yr TV deal if the big clubs could all leave 1yr in, or a breakaway division could be formed, etc. etc. Really? When have the 'big clubs' ever left a major national league to go somewhere else, and where did they go? Rebrandings such as the SPL not withstanding. Until the Rangers situation unfolded in all it's gory detail there was hee-haw prospect of Celtic or Rangers being outside the SPL, ever. They weren't going to England, they weren't going to the Atlantic League and they certainly weren't going to be relegated, either on merit or after the SPL created more reconstruction to prevent it. Unless the TV deal also has clauses covering volcano insurance and being stabbed to death by a unicorn then I fail to see what is credible about this phantom 'big team' clause. Edited July 3, 2012 by vikingTON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I hope the SFL take the SPL for a ride here. After what went on before, it would be glorious to see. It will obviously hurt a few clubs financially, but not any more than so many were hurt with the formation of the SPL all those years ago. Go on SFL - kick the big wigs in the knackers and end this charade once and for all! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty 218 Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I am starting to think the Greeks could run Scottish football better. Fecks sake - President Assad could make a better fist of it! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BELFASTSAINTEE Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) well we know rangers arent going to be in the spl next season due to SFA comments. so the point of tomorrows spl vote is what exactly??? the sfl should just vote once they have shown Cockwomble the door today Edited July 3, 2012 by BELFASTSAINTEE 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdo Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 'The world is closing in Did you ever think That we could be so close, like brothers The future's in the air I can feel it everywhere Blowing with the wind of change' 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Duck Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Unless the TV deal also has clauses covering volcano insurance and being stabbed to death by a unicorn then I fail to see what is credible about this phantom 'big team' clause. It'll be there because Sky's lawyers insisted on it. "If it's never going to happen, why would you object to the clause being included?" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Fecks sake - President Assad could make a better fist of it! Well of course he would. He'd just kill anyone that disagreed with him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuggie_Murray7 Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Jim Spence @bbcjimspenceUp to 6 SPL clubs at risk according to Stewart Regan. Sounds like option being presented is first division or nothing 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Thompson Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Jim Spence @bbcjimspenceSfa will not allow rfc newco into spl says Stewart Regan Ok, that would have been a handy thing to say a couple of weeks/months ago! How about Regan follows that up by saying that the SFA wont allow them to "parachute" directly into the first division and then we can all go home? Why? They signed a deal that says someone pays £ABC, for a product they regard as having a certain value... and that if that product alters significantly (through removal of something which contributes a large amount of the value) they can renegotiate or walk away. It doesn't say Rangers must be in SPL... it says TV doesn't have to pay £ABC for something whose value has reduced. That may be the case, but that isnt how Cockwomble is portraying it, and therein lies the problem. Either he is guilty of negotiating a contract that has, at best, left the SPL wide open to the loss of millions of pounds of revenue or he is guilty of lying about it to the clubs of the SFL in an attempt to blackmail them into doing what he wants. WTF!? So all we've heard today is a secret deal to allow Sevco entry to the SPL, with Neil Cockwomble Doncaster spouting out warnings of FINANCIAL ARMAGEDDON if Sevco don't get to leapfrog SFL2 and 3 upon election, and now Regan comes out with this peach!? You'd think that Regan and Doncaster would have agreed on a common way forward before today's SFL meeting, but no, it sounds like a complete fukking shambles. Oh dear... I wonder if there is a bit of cock-womblingaving going on? Perhaps Cockwomble, and to a lesser extent Longmuir, have been pushing and pushing without involving the SFA or, maybe, directly against their advice. Maybe this is Regans way of showing them who, ultimately, is "in charge"? I think Doncaster - and his real puppet-master at Celtic Park - are way out of their depth trying this. That said, there is on the face of it a credible reason for discussing proposals today. It's July 3rd, if clubs wanted to go with Zombie Rangers + reconstruction then they'd have about four weeks to hold the relevant votes and organisation at every level of the game. It's incredible how late in the day this is developing: Morton for example are starting their pre-season friendlies today... Would like to see more detail on the SFA's position. At the moment it is fucking bizarre to say the least. That could have come straight from Leggos blog VT = Leggo? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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