chico Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/football-news/article/2614559 Craig Whyte says the meeja still bad, ranjurs support 'magnificent' and he's no stolen any of the money. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Rosenborg dominated Norway for ages. You have to imagine Celtic would cut back - why spend £50 mill a season to win the SPL when you can spend £20 mill and still win. Eventually somebody would get near to them. ... as you'd want to compete in Europe by having a shot at the CL Champions Pathway, and failing that trying to progress in the EL. And, to assist that, avoid your last bit i.e. someone getting near them. As for domination, plenty leagues have been dominated by single clubs. Rosenborg of Norway won 13-in-a-row 1992 to 2004... infact 18 from 24, going 1988 to present. Skonto Riga of Latvia also won 13-in-a-row 1992 to 2004. Lyon of France won 7-in-a-row, in a large competitive nation, 2001-02 to 2007-08. Olympiakos of Greece have won 10 of the last 11. Dynamo Kiev of Ukraine won 11 from 12 running 1992-93 to 2003-04. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piehutt Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 (edited) If Rangers aren't in the SPL next year, that's the kind of crowds Celtic will get immediately. Nah - it will take a few seasons. Celtic fans do seem to be more loyal than those of other big clubs - in terms of turning up to meaningless games, friendlies, televised fixtures etc. Ok, accept that Celtic may feel more obliged to respond to Salmond than the hacks, but they knew it would be a story when they made the statement. Likewise, Lawwell knew it would be a story when he said it on Monday. Obviously they stopped short of saying 'we hope Rangers go bust' but why not issue support? 'We hope our biggest rivals can survive this difficult period and we can compete against them for another 140 years.' etc etc. Paranoia mixed with hatred? I think they are pandering to their own fans, who seem to think it will be good if Rangers go bust, or at the very least 'a bit of a laugh'. Privately I think the directors would be very anxious if Rangers teetered further over the abyss. Surely their ideal scenario is that they just survive, new owners come in and have to take on a lot of the debt and the club is crippled for the next 5 or 6 seasons (possibly with no European competition for a while). Edited February 17, 2012 by Piehutt 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 ... as you'd want to compete in Europe by having a shot at the CL Champions Pathway, and failing that trying to progress in the EL. And, to assist that, avoid your last bit i.e. someone getting near them. As for domination, plenty leagues have been dominated by single clubs. Rosenborg of Norway won 13-in-a-row 1992 to 2004... infact 18 from 24, going 1988 to present. Skonto Riga of Latvia also won 13-in-a-row 1992 to 2004. Lyon of France won 7-in-a-row, in a large competitive nation, 2001-02 to 2007-08. Olympiakos of Greece have won 10 of the last 11. Dynamo Kiev of Ukraine won 11 from 12 running 1992-93 to 2003-04. Don't forget Rangers win 9 in a row during the 90's Have Shakhtar Donetsk taken up the mantle as the the dominant force in Ukraine these days? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivo den Bieman Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Whyte "steps back" from Rangers er, surely he had to do that anyway now they are in admin? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Privately I think the directors would be very anxious if Rangers teetered further over the abyss. Surely their ideal scenario is that they just survive, new owners come in and have to take on a lot of the debt and the club is crippled for the next 5 or 6 seasons (possibly with no European competition for a while). I'd be inclined to agree with you there. Unless they genuinely think they've a chance of getting admitted to EPL, if they're completely dominating Scottish football, and are the only major club in Glasgow. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Loving this statement :- "I wish to state categorically that I personally have not taken a single penny out of Rangers" Now class, what does that not preclude? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 (edited) I bet Craig Whyte's friends are deserting him like flies. They're used to getting away with their scams partly because they're too complex for non specialists to understand, but also because they usually happen under the radar and aren't tightly scrutinised. Now they've got the whole of the Scottish media after them, football and financial, and thousands of amateurs digging up the dirt on the internet. Phi Betts seems to be the next target, he's hurriedly closed down his website. He provides a (convulated) link between Whyte and Ticketus: Nicked from Talk Celtic forum We know that on 6 May 2011, Craig Whyte completed his take over of Rangers Football Club and became the new Chairman. Phil Betts was Whyte's first appointment to the board, joining on or around 7 May. Both Whyte and Bett were directors of Wavetower, the company through which Whyte bought Rangers.On 9 May, Rangers entered into an agreement with Ticketus to sell them the income of season ticket sales in exchange for an immediate cash injection. This cash was used to pay an £18m debt owed to Lloyds TSB. Ticketus is a part of Octopus Investments who operate a number of Venture Capital Trusts, such as Octopus VCT 3. The Chairman of Octopus VCT 3 plc is one Ray Greenshields, who is also a non-executive director of the Close Brothers Group. According to rangerstaxcase, in October 2011 Rangers gave a fixed charge security over their assets to Close Brothers. Phil Betts runs a company called Primary Asset Finance, who provide funding and refinancing to businesses. PAS' website is "sponsored" by State Securities, Davenham (now in administration) and Close Brothers. PAF were involved in joint ventures in Countryliner Group Limited and LM Logistics (currently in administration) with Merchant Corporate Recovery plc, of which Craig Whyte was then a director. Betts was and remains a director of Merchant Turnaround plc. Both MCR and MT are under the umbrella of Merchant House with whom Whyte is still involved as a director of some of its subsidies. Edited February 17, 2012 by welshbairn -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Nomad Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 http://www.rangers.c...article/2614559 Craig Whyte says the meeja still bad, ranjurs support 'magnificent' and he's no stolen any of the money. One thing that just does not sit quite right with me in that statement particularly among the club's magnificently-loyal fans Last home game: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyMack Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Rosenborg dominated Norway for ages. You have to imagine Celtic would cut back - why spend £50 mill a season to win the SPL when you can spend £20 mill and still win. Eventually somebody would get near to them. Like Rosenborg a 'new' Rangers could compete in the summer by forming their own breakaway 16 team league thus making Hibeejibee's head implode. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyman Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Craig Whyte blowing out his erse! http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/football-news/article/2614559 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 And this is based on? IMO, to be honest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyman Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Ps. I'll maw be at the game as ive been run oot o' toon is what whytey really meant 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swello Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Whyte "steps back" from Rangers er, surely he had to do that anyway now they are in admin? By "stepped back", he means "in hiding, in fear of a chibbing" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Whyte "steps back" from Rangers er, surely he had to do that anyway now they are in admin? "I've done nothing wrong. On an unrelated note I'm letting some other idiots run the club and won't be going on Saturday." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Loving this statement :- "I wish to state categorically that I personally have not taken a single penny out of Rangers" Now class, what does that not preclude? Would that be Rangers FC, or The Rangers Group PLC, or Craig Whyte not taking money, or The Rangers Group PLC not taking money, or...... Could go on for a while, but every time this guy opens his mouth, he leaves more questions needing asked than he answers. He's an absolute dream for the press who must be recording their highest sales and listening figures in a very long time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Would that be Rangers FC, or The Rangers Group PLC, or Craig Whyte not taking money, or The Rangers Group PLC not taking money, or...... Indeed.... The Case of the Missing Millions... where's Benedict Cumberpatch when you need him? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Thompson Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I am 100% confident that the administrators' report will prove that every penny that has come in and gone out of Rangers has been properly accounted for Does collecting PAYE from employees and not passing it onto HMRC come under "properly accounted for"? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 You would have thought that if Duff and Phelps wanted to pretend to be neutral and independent they wouldn't let Whyte anywhere near the Rangers website now they're in charge... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Northerner Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Does collecting PAYE from employees and not passing it onto HMRC come under "properly accounted for"? I suppose if it is traceable and hasn't disappeared then it has been properly accounted. The fact that it's in the wrong place is probably more a legal issue 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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