Gaz FFC Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Rangers fans wanking furiously on FB because their ground was packed last week and Killies ground was empty tonight. Seems the topflight is missing them even though stats say they're all doing better. Why does nobody like you Rangers fans? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingrodent Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Administrative errors. Aye, the type of administrative errors that were "at least partly motivated by a wish not to risk prejudicing the tax advantages of the EBT scheme". The type of administrative errors that you deliberately attempt to prevent investigation of, and get fined quarter of a million pounds for. That type of administrative errors. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 So much bitterness, remember you once claimed that you weren't bothered about the titles.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingrodent Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 So much bitterness, remember you once claimed that you weren't bothered about the titles.... Didn't think you'd fancy digging your heels in on that one about the admin errors. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 It looks like you're still pretty bothered about them to me... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Why does nobody like you Rangers fans? You hang about enough with us. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Didn't think you'd fancy digging your heels in on that one about the admin errors. Dear old Bennett never digs his heels in because he's generally wrong. His saving grace is that he's bright enough and essentially decent enough to know it. Just don't ask him to admit it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 (edited) The point is not redundant at all.As a football fan, who has taken pleasure and pride at certain stages in things that have been achieved by the club I support, I know how such feelings would be dented very severely, if there were very serious question marks over the legitimacy of such achievements. What a complete and utter bore you are MT, do you seriously think the sheer joy at experiencing decisive goals by Butcher, Cooper, Durrant, McCoist, Hately, Albertz, McCann, Laudrup and Gascoigne to name but a few down the years was 'severely dented' by thoughts of how the club was being administered at the time, I've got to admit It never crossed my mind once when the ball was hitting the back of the net. I can see how much you would be thinking about it though. Your obsessive wish to deny medals and trophies doesn't change a f*ckin thing. Those performances, goals & results are set in stone, nothing's going to change that now, however much you continue to whine, whinge and moan. Edited August 12, 2015 by RedRob72 -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kildog Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I can't believe all these scumbags defending cheating. They just don't understand sport. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Fitlike Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 What a complete and utter bore you are MT, do you seriously think the sheer joy at experiencing decisive goals by Butcher, Cooper, Durrant, McCoist, Hately, Albertz, McCann, Laudrup and Gascoigne to name but a few down the years was 'severely dented' by thoughts of how the club was being administered at the time, I've got to admit It never crossed my mind once when the ball was hitting the back of the net. I can see how much you would be thinking about it though. Your obsessive wish to deny medals and trophies doesn't change a f*ckin thing. Those performances, goals & results are set in stone, nothing's going to change that now, however much you continue to whine, whinge and moan. I reckon Cooper and Butcher were the only ones on fully legitimate remuneration deals. Does that fact not dilute your 'sheer joy'? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I reckon Cooper and Butcher were the only ones on fully legitimate remuneration deals. Does that fact not dilute your 'sheer joy'? Difficult to go back and test that theory, no? No cheating, No charges of cheating, No title stripping, sorry but it's done. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 What a complete and utter bore you are MT, do you seriously think the sheer joy at experiencing decisive goals by Butcher, Cooper, Durrant, McCoist, Hately, Albertz, McCann, Laudrup and Gascoigne to name but a few down the years was 'severely dented' by thoughts of how the club was being administered at the time, I've got to admit It never crossed my mind once when the ball was hitting the back of the net. I can see how much you would be thinking about it though. Your obsessive wish to deny medals and trophies doesn't change a f*ckin thing. Those performances, goals & results are set in stone, nothing's going to change that now, however much you continue to whine, whinge and moan. Of course your hollow joy would not have been dented at the time as you got your kicks from grotesque mismatches. A good few of your listed names pre-date the EBT scandal anyway and would therefore presumably have been registered properly. You seem to be struggling to recognise what's even being discussed here. The point is though that a rational individual with a trace of appreciation of what sport actually is, would now feel that memories of triumphs from the relevant period were sullied. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Difficult to go back and test that theory, no? No cheating, No charges of cheating, No title stripping, sorry but it's done. I agree that it's done but that doesn't mean that the merits of the decision cannot be discussed. Were Brechin charged with cheating when expelled from the Scottish Cup a few years back? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) Difficult to go back and test that theory, no? No cheating, No charges of cheating, No title stripping, sorry but it's done. So why the hatred of arguably your greatest every owner / Chairman David Murray?He turned the clumpany around and helped drag it into the 20th century Without him, you wouldn't have signed said players let alone done 9IAR Edited August 13, 2015 by Enrico Annoni 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Lol...Phils got the Rangers board flapping again..http://rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/item/9840-board-statement 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I agree that it's done but that doesn't mean that the merits of the decision cannot be discussed. Were Brechin charged with cheating when expelled from the Scottish Cup a few years back? Charged with fielding not one but two eligible players iirc, where's the parallel there? Sullied memories? No not ever! Follow most Sports, Football, Rugby (both codes), Boxing, Golf, Cricket, Horse Racing, Ice Hockey and don't condone cheating in any of them. I'll say it again one last time , if it was SO undeniably clear that Rangers had cheated to win trophies and such a strong case could have been made on hard evidence against the Club, it would have happened. It hasn't has it? Keep banging the drum however if that's what keeps you going. Not much else going on is there Monkey? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 So why the hatred of arguably your greatest every owner / Chairman David Murray? He turned the clumpany around and helped drag it into the 20th century Without him, you wouldn't have signed said players let alone done 9IAR Don't you start on about dragging a club into the 20th Century FFS !!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Charged with fielding not one but two eligible players iirc, where's the parallel there? Sullied memories? No not ever! Follow most Sports, Football, Rugby (both codes), Boxing, Golf, Cricket, Horse Racing, Ice Hockey and don't condone cheating in any of them. I'll say it again one last time , if it was SO undeniably clear that Rangers had cheated to win trophies and such a strong case could have been made on hard evidence against the Club, it would have happened. It hasn't has it? Keep banging the drum however if that's what keeps you going. Not much else going on is there Monkey? All too much going on at the moment actually and it's going to get worse before it improves. Still, coming on here offers a certain escapism. Thanks for the interest though. Personally, I think what happened amounted very clearly to "cheating", but establishing that charge and making it stick is not actually important in this. What's at issue is the registration of players and what the rules required. Rangers deliberately failed to register their players' contracts properly because they knew that their method of payment for many of them sailed close to the wind legally. Registration matters are traditionally treated very seriously in football, even if irreglarities result from oversight or error. Here the irregularities owed nothing to error and were instead deliberate attempts to mislead. As a fan, you should not count such titles yourself, regardless of what the ruling said. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 All too much going on at the moment actually and it's going to get worse before it improves. Still, coming on here offers a certain escapism. Thanks for the interest though. Personally, I think what happened amounted very clearly to "cheating", but establishing that charge and making it stick is not actually important in this. What's at issue is the registration of players and what the rules required. Rangers deliberately failed to register their players' contracts properly because they knew that their method of payment for many of them sailed close to the wind legally. Registration matters are traditionally treated very seriously in football, even if irreglarities result from oversight or error. Here the irregularities owed nothing to error and were instead deliberate attempts to mislead. As a fan, you should not count such titles yourself, regardless of what the ruling said. ''Here the irregularities owed nothing to error and were instead deliberate attempts to mislead'' and if proven as such the club would have been appropriately punished no? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 ''Here the irregularities owed nothing to error and were instead deliberate attempts to mislead'' and if proven as such the club would have been appropriately punished no? Yeah, you'd have thought so, wouldn't you? However, with the threats of Civil Unrest, Armageddon, arson and physical violence flying thick and fast, the "Authorities" - including Campbell "EBT" Ogilvie, decided to bottle it. The people in charge of our Game, rather than defend it from wrongdoing, colluded with each other and their Media friends to preserve the status quo. Your new club owes its existence to an atmosphere fuelled by fear and greed. Even the rangers' fans admit to the horsetrading and jiggery-pokery needed to give them something to watch - oftentimes in a "Ha, we can do what we want!" tone, as if they are proud of the whole episode. This simply reinforces what many of us were, pre-liquidation, prepared to accept was an exaggerated stereotype. Inadequate scum, who need to have something successful to point at to "prove" their superiority. Even if that success was gained through cheating, and led to the cheats receiving their justified come-uppance. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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