Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!

[TheLip69]

That's where you're wrong, I had to work at the pinnacle of local government for 2 years to get my business and administration qualification, you wouldn't even get in the door before you try to make out like you know everything

What qualifications do you have??

I have standard grade 1 scores for business management, physics, chemistry, P.E. and more

I study business management at Uni for a bachelors degree.

Tl;dr before you talk pis about qualifications make sure that you have some

Stoneybridge Town Council

[Ken Fitlike]

i take it, seeing as you are so good at finding "facts" that you can point us in the direction of HMRC's criminal complaint against id assume david murray for committing an illegal act

Rangers avoided paying full tax by using a loophole, a loophole that was closed in 2010 and HMRC claimed we administered the loophole wrongly hence the tax bill, rangers dispute this hence the continual rulings

for it to be illegal it has to be against the law, rangers use of EBT's was never against the law, HMRC simply claim they were administered wrongly and as such we are liable

but again you probably knew this

Yes, but did they declare all this subterfuge to the Football Authorities?

Being the main reason for the overdue Lance Armstrong -esque cheats get cheaty titles removed. Sporting Integrity ahoy.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

A few good points in this article from an actual journalist.

By Adrian Durham

I heard a tragic story recently about a man who had a beautiful and loving wife, but who couldn't see the good in her. He longed for his single life, and so he sought a divorce, got one, and celebrated his new life on his own without the woman who had annoyed him so much.

Fast forward a few years and the man is a broken shell of what he used to be. His existence has become pointless. He still maintains he was right and that his life is good, but literally everyone either laughs at him or pities him.

That sad man in denial is Celtic Football Club. They will never be man enough to admit it, but they didn't realise just how meaningless their world would be without their closest neighbour, Rangers.

When Rangers were around, Celtic knew they had to stick together to have the best chance of being successful. Without Rangers pushing them, Celtic have become a mess.

What kind of club gets knocked out of Europe twice before December?

The shocking sharp decline of Celtic has happened with Rangers fighting their way back up the ladder. In July 2012 Rangers found themselves at the bottom of the Scottish Football League, in November that year Celtic beat Barcelona 2-1 on a glorious night.

Since then Celtic have been an embarrassment in Europe, culminating in a shocking shambles this season, a low point leading to Ronny Deila declaring a TV reporter's question was stupid, moments after his team had lost again to confirm a bottom-place finish in their Europa League group.

Who's stupid?

Some Celtic fans have devoted their life to hating Rangers – they still try to claim the side currently top of the Scottish Championship isn't actually Rangers – they say it's a new club formed after summer 2012, and they are campaigning feverishly for Rangers to be stripped of their titles.

These aren't fans of football – these are people so worried about the decline of their own team, they have to seek new ways to deny history and put down the only club that can knock them off their rather meaningless perch in Scotland.

These fans even claimed success when the club signed Scott Allan from Hibs right under the noses of Rangers in the summer.

Allan said he joined because he wanted to play in Europe, well he played in the final game, and was on the pitch for the final 18 minutes, long enough to see Ajax score their winner. Sad times when a once great club has to resort to sneaky signings to keep the fans happy.

Scottish football put itself in the wilderness with its ridiculous punishment of Rangers three and a half years ago. Celtic celebrated, but it marked the start of a horrible decline towards embarrassment for them.

They will never admit it, but Celtic fans can't wait for Rangers to return. They will be celebrating if Mark Warburton's side win promotion this season

What kind of club gets knocked out of Europe twice before September?

Now That's whataboutery, Vicky.

[54_and_counting]

Yes, but did they declare all this subterfuge to the Football Authorities?

Being the main reason for the overdue Lance Armstrong -esque cheats get cheaty titles removed. Sporting Integrity ahoy.

i would assume they declared every single EBT given we released yearly accounts that were available in the public domain

[The_Kincardine]

I'll dispute that...

Stopped reading at "By Adrian Durham"

Even if they were it's hardly a license to cheat now is it?

^^^ Furious that the estimable Mr Durham didn't give them credit for the support they've shown to their grey and green pals.

Adrian Durham, the bastion of all sports reporters. Twat looking for idiots to bite and give him relevance. Never mind Scottish football he winds up all EPL fans as that is his forte. Knows very little about the English game so what in the world makes us think he has any knowledge of the Scottish game. Talk Sport and Sly Sports brothers in arms, closer than the preverbial coats of paint.

^^Bit.

[stonedsailor]

I'm professionally qualified to work in an office and did it for local government for 2 years, I don't know why you suggest that I should branch out because I'm a Swiss Army knife of business and IT skills in the modern era

How long does the Jay cloth and pledge diploma take to achieve?

[strichener]

i would assume they declared every single EBT given we released yearly accounts that were available in the public domain

I wonder how companies manage to get away with bribery and inducements when they have to publish accounts.

[Njord]

i would assume they declared every single EBT given we released yearly accounts that were available in the public domain

Yearly accounts... Well you were meant to release them.

But failed on occasion.

[topcat(The most tip top)]

I'm not 'a student' I'm an entrepreneur. To answer your query, if I stayed at school to 6th year and pursued Highers in all the subjects I done at SG level then I would not have been able to get my B&A qualification for 2 years and earn while I learned there. That B&A qualification is worth more to organisations than a few highers I can assure you, Highers are only needed to get your foot in the door for certain Uni courses, and to give you an example to be a teacher in a Scottish school of any subject, the only Higher qualification you need is Higher English. I still have more than enough qualifications to study the Uni degree I want. I believe if I stayed to get highers for 2 years it would have been less beneficial to me, but okay.

You should post about football instead of coming out of the woodwork every few days with a cryptic post not related to football ..

Trying to throw academic credentials around to lend authority to your opinions on a football message board is pathetic

Trying to do so when you haven't actually got any is, in my opinion at least, wretched

And I've got 7 highers so my opinion is worth more than yours.

[THE KING]

I'm not 'a student' I'm an entrepreneur. To answer your query, if I stayed at school to 6th year and pursued Highers in all the subjects I done at SG level then I would not have been able to get my B&A qualification for 2 years and earn while I learned there. That B&A qualification is worth more to organisations than a few highers I can assure you, Highers are only needed to get your foot in the door for certain Uni courses, and to give you an example to be a teacher in a Scottish school of any subject, the only Higher qualification you need is Higher English. I still have more than enough qualifications to study the Uni degree I want. I believe if I stayed to get highers for 2 years it would have been less beneficial to me, but okay.

You should post about football instead of coming out of the woodwork every few days with a cryptic post not related to football ..

^^^^^spends life playing computer games.

[THE KING]

i take it, seeing as you are so good at finding "facts" that you can point us in the direction of HMRC's criminal complaint against id assume david murray for committing an illegal act

Rangers avoided paying full tax by using a loophole, a loophole that was closed in 2010 and HMRC claimed we administered the loophole wrongly hence the tax bill, rangers dispute this hence the continual rulings

for it to be illegal it has to be against the law, rangers use of EBT's was never against the law, HMRC simply claim they were administered wrongly and as such we are liable

but again you probably knew this

Thats me convinced, all those Tax experts and (Accountancy Age) (Proffesionaladvisor) the FT etc etc must all be wrong then?

Here try this from TaxEdge

..The definition of avoidance is the legal manipulation of ones affairs to mitigate a tax liability, whilst evasion is the illegal manipulation to evade taxes. All in practice are aware of the uncertainty of what constitutes legal or illegal. For example, contributing to an EBT and receiving loans back had always been considered legal tax planning until the employment income provided through third parties anti avoidance legislation was published on 9 December 2010. However, in light of the EBT settlement opportunity and HMRCs extensive analysis of what they consider the correct tax treatment contained within that opportunity, anything that is different could arguably be illegal

Edited December 1, 2015 by THE KING

[Jacksgranda]

Trying to throw academic credentials around to lend authority to your opinions on a football message board is pathetic

Trying to do so when you haven't actually got any is, in my opinion at least, wretched

And I've got 7 highers so my opinion is worth more than yours.

And I've a Sixth Year Studies Cerificate in English. So there/their/they're. (Delete according to preference.)

[topcat(The most tip top)]

And I've a Sixth Year Studies Cerificate in English. So there/their/they're. (Delete according to preference.)

I also went to Glasgow university and won the pub quiz several times.

[The DA]

And I've a Sixth Year Studies Cerificate in English. So there/their/they're. (Delete according to preference.)

Nice one, Da.

[The DA]

i would assume they declared every single EBT given we released yearly accounts that were available in the public domain

Mebbees aye, mebbes naw. But I bet they didn't declare the side-letters.

[Jacksgranda]

And I've a Sixth Year Studies Cerificate in English. So there/their/they're. (Delete according to preference.)

Nice one, Da.

Edited December 1, 2015 by Jacksgranda

[Ken Fitlike]

i would assume they declared every single EBT given we released yearly accounts that were available in the public domain

fail

[jim999]

Adrian Durham is a pretty smart guy. He has a tried and tested formula. Have a co host who is always thicker than himself. Pick a 40/60 argument and side with the 40% and argue until blue in the face. It works because loads of daft folk bite and his co host is normally mentally deficient.

Whenever he talks about Scottish Football however it's cliche filled, ill informed drivel. Give the Jocks a wee 5 minutes occasionally and patronise us and belittle our football and more often than not get his facts wrong.

Anyone notice it was a pretty slow football week down south?

[Henrik's tongue]

A few good points in this article from an actual journalist.

By Adrian Durham

:lol:

[MRF-LCC-RFC]

How long does the Jay cloth and pledge diploma take to achieve?

bachelors degree 3 years full time study Edited December 1, 2015 by MRF-LCC-RFC