The Toun Clock Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 (edited) 24 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: The 'enhanced' searches went well then... I was in a queue for the Norrie where absolutely no one was searched. In fact we all we're admitted via a fire exit, with a steward simply looking at the ticket (no scanning) and someone clicking a counter for each person they let in. Was exactly the same as you mate. I was delighted to be fair. I was at the Scotland Vs Norway game in November, three queues going into one turnstile. Everyone asking if they could open more gates or the fire exit, never in a million years did I think stewards would but yesterday they did. Outside the corner of the Main Stand/Norrie was as busy as I remember for some time, it was packed. One queue for the Norrie started away round at the club shop. Another in Aldi car park. Edited January 3 by The Toun Clock 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifes Elite Force Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 (edited) 52 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: The 'enhanced' searches went well then... I was in a queue for the Norrie where absolutely no one was searched. In fact we all we're admitted via a fire exit, with a steward simply looking at the ticket (no scanning) and someone clicking a counter for each person they let in. I didn't get searched going into the north west at half past 2. There was no queue and I just went in. The game before a female steward said "he's fine he is a regular" when I was walking in and maybe being late 30s and recognisable from the stand they wern't concerned. I do think though the stewards have a difficult job. When theres hundreds turning up with 15 mins go and large queues how easy will it be to do a full thorough search on everyone? Plus how far can they go, someone could sneak them down their underwear I assume, I dont think a steward can really check that? The only thing I have done thats comparable is sneaking booze into TITP back in the day, I used to put a bag of wine in the hood of my jacket and no one would search there. Tbh im not against the pyros in general providing they are safe but I was moaning to my pals yesterday that it was stopping our momentum after the equaliser. Not sure what the answer is tbh. Edit- Also don't know the rules on searching minors? Edited January 3 by Fifes Elite Force -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Fifes Elite Force said: I didn't get searched going into the north west at half past 2. There was no queue and I just went in. The game before a female steward said "he's fine he is a regular" when I was walking in and maybe being late 30s and recognisable from the stand they wern't concerned. I do think though the stewards have a difficult job. When theres hundreds turning up with 15 mins go and large queues how easy will it be to do a full thorough search on everyone? Plus how far can they go, someone could sneak them down their underwear I assume, I dont think a steward can really check that? The only thing I have done thats comparable is sneaking booze into TITP back in the day, I used to put a bag of wine in the hood of my jacket and no one would search there. Tbh im not against the pyros in general providing they are safe but I was moaning to my pals yesterday that it was stopping our momentum after the equaliser. Not sure what the answer is tbh. Perhaps the answer is the fans? There are certain things all “fans” agree are wrong or counter-productive. Throwing flares/smoke-bombs, throwing items at opposing players, fights outside, etc. Grass on them, make it clear that the real fans won’t protect thugs and wannabe hard men. Get a group of stewards with real training in with the Ultras (COVID and that absolutely decimated the skilled security workforce though), and back them up. On the smoke and pyro, there are answers that allow it in designated areas and with designated type devices in other countries, perhaps look at that as an outlet too. Edited to add: Outstanding response here from the Pars fans, excellent to see the disgust at this kind of thing. Edited January 3 by TxRover 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifes Elite Force Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 3 minutes ago, TxRover said: Perhaps the answer is the fans? There are certain things all “fans” agree are wrong or counter-productive. Throwing flares/smoke-bombs, throwing items at opposing players, fights outside, etc. Grass on them, make it clear that the real fans won’t protect thugs and wannabe hard men. Get a group of stewards with real training in with the Ultras (COVID and that absolutely decimated the skilled security workforce though), and back them up. On the smoke and pyro, there are answers that allow it in designated areas and with designated type devices in other countries, perhaps look at that as an outlet too. Edited to add: Outstanding response here from the Pars fans, excellent to see the disgust at this kind of thing. I was having a similar discussion last night. I am in the section where things like pyro are coming from and other objects are thrown and its difficult to see who is doing it when you are facing towards the pitch and you first notice it when it lands on the pitch. I think it will be the same for the away end too, I dont think the rovers fans would have seen who chucked the smoke bomb while celebrating the goal. Some good suggestions though around proper training for stewards or proper areas of the ground for pyro. I think other clubs are having similar issues around the country 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raithie Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Is Jason Canning responsible for the SNW post on X saying these boys aren't members? (whatever constitutes being a member). A lot unravelling on social media of pics of these guys in amongst SNW front and centre contributing to their ethos of creating an atmosphere. One boy involved wearing a SNW hoodie ffs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifes Elite Force Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Raithie said: Is Jason Canning responsible for the SNW post on X saying these boys aren't members? (whatever constitutes being a member). A lot unravelling on social media of pics of these guys in amongst SNW front and centre contributing to their ethos of creating an atmosphere. One boy involved wearing a SNW hoodie ffs I think so. He organises the crowd displays and sells the merch I think. Looks to me he's pointing out they arn't involved with organising either of those more than anything. But it does appear they sit/stand in that section of the ground going from what people are saying Edit- I have no idea what constitutes a member, I thought it was just a singing section like most other teams have tbh Edited January 3 by Fifes Elite Force 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallumPar Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 12 minutes ago, Raithie said: Is Jason Canning responsible for the SNW post on X saying these boys aren't members? (whatever constitutes being a member). A lot unravelling on social media of pics of these guys in amongst SNW front and centre contributing to their ethos of creating an atmosphere. One boy involved wearing a SNW hoodie ffs In fairness, anyone can buy tickets and sit in a section. Just like anyone can buy the merchandise. Pretty sure he just meant that they’re not involved in any of their meetings/supporters buses that are organised and don’t get involved with the displays etc. I don’t think anyone has denied that they probably sit/stand in the NW stand, along with the Section NW guys. But that doesn’t mean that they participate/socialise with them at all, or travel with them etc. Majority of SNW guys seem to meet in the pubs in town etc and I don’t imagine the kids involved yesterday are old enough for that. Hard to identify/associate with people who just turn up to a section and sing songs, but don’t actually mix with the group. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 12 minutes ago, Raithie said: One boy involved wearing a SNW hoodie ffs They are publicly available like it's not a thing only certain people can get. 1 hour ago, Fifes Elite Force said: Edit- Also don't know the rules on searching minors? Is that not why Under 12s have to be accompanied by their parents? I would have thought security guards with the accredited card could search anyone of the same gender, and if not I'm sure the police could? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardle is Magic Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 24 minutes ago, Raithie said: Is Jason Canning responsible for the SNW post on X saying these boys aren't members? (whatever constitutes being a member). A lot unravelling on social media of pics of these guys in amongst SNW front and centre contributing to their ethos of creating an atmosphere. One boy involved wearing a SNW hoodie ffs I own a SNW hoodie but I don’t even sit in the NW. Me thinks a poor lawyer you would make. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andriy_Parmolenko Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 What a grim day to be a pars fan it is today. At least the statement this morning was everything it needed to be in as few words as possible, but still just sickened by the whole thing. I actually found out about the video thanks to some friends from England who'd come across it on twitter, and by now it's amassed millions of views. Lasting long term damage to the club, and that's not even starting to talk about the poor lad on the receiving end. Wish him all the best and hope the club take some action in making that so, alongside the bans they've promised. Also, open message to whoever it is that chucks those smoke bombs onto the pitch. It happens every time we score in a big game, and every time it totally kills momentum, especially yesterday with the second one that was chucked. A single smoke bomb on a pitch creates 0 atmosphere, it only dampens it. Also they absolutely reek. Please ffs, stop. I should be pissed off about the game itself, not all this other shite. Thank goodness our next game is away to Queens Park these wee fannies will be nowhere near it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacky Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 47 minutes ago, Cardle is Magic said: I own a SNW hoodie but I don’t even sit in the NW. Me thinks a poor lawyer you would make. I have two SNW hats, one I bought myself the other my daughter bought me. I sit in the main stand. what I’m being told is there’s a NW supporters club of sorts that works with the football club in order to organise displays etc, these fans are all adults. I think those guys will likely police themselves and the NW youngsters more vigorously after this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
embow Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 4 hours ago, RAITHROVERS84 said: This incident is now going national being picked up by the red tops..sky and BBC.............. Police Scotland under pressure to get a charge here imo. Looks like they've lifted and charged a seventeen year old according to breaking news. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Toun Clock Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 2 hours ago, Fifes Elite Force said: The only thing I have done thats comparable is sneaking booze into TITP back in the day, I used to put a bag of wine in the hood of my jacket and no one would search there. I was skim reading your post and thought you used to take a bag of wine into East End in your jacket hood. 1 hour ago, Raithie said: Is Jason Canning responsible for the SNW post on X saying these boys aren't members? (whatever constitutes being a member). A lot unravelling on social media of pics of these guys in amongst SNW front and centre contributing to their ethos of creating an atmosphere. One boy involved wearing a SNW hoodie ffs Realistically there's about 30-40 guys that go every week from SNW and they all know each other. There all well older than the age of the people involved in the incident. I think what they're saying is there not really part of that group. Most of these guys are mid 20's, the boy arrested was what, 17/18? Aye they might have managed to get a ticket in that section. Regardless, Jason is a great guy. This has nothing to do with him, and realistically it has nothing to do with SNW, however they released a statement anyway, because people were linking the incident with them, and even offered to pay for some damages, when they didn't have to Go on any of the Pars pages on Facebook and go through profiles, you'll see loads of people with Section North West photos, a lot of them sit in other sections of the ground. The background on my phone is of a display they did last season against Falkirk, I sit in the Norrie. Anyone can buy a hoodie. They're available online from a Fife based sports kit retailer which is owned by the same guys who own Raith would you believe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallumPar Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, Cardle is Magic said: I own a SNW hoodie but I don’t even sit in the NW. Me thinks a poor lawyer you would make. I genuinely find it incredible that people can’t understand this. There’s folk on social media asking why the SNW statement mentions apologising if they’re not to blame… probably cause that’s a decent humane response. I’m sure there are a lot of people that have reached out to the boy and his family, to say they’re really sorry to hear about what he’s been through. The club have also reached out and offered apologies for what’s happened, that doesn’t mean David Cook/Thomas Meggle are responsible either. It’s absolutely clear that the club, fans and those involved at SNW will not tolerate this behaviour and Jason/SNW would be criticised if they didn’t make a statement to make it clear that those involved are not and never will be involved with their group. As I (and several others) have said, I think yesterday’s actions during the game really highlight the need for self-policing and action to be taken against SNW. It’s beyond ridiculous now. But they can’t be blamed for what happened to the boy after the game. Absolutely vile behaviour from all of those involved, but to try and say Jason (or anyone else at SNW) should be taking responsibility for it is just idiotic. The only people responsible are the cretins who were involved and arguably their parents for raising such vile children. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifes Elite Force Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 44 minutes ago, The Toun Clock said: I was skim reading your post and thought you used to take a bag of wine into East End in your jacket hood. Would have made some of the games more bearable at times 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 3 hours ago, Raithie said: Is Jason Canning responsible for the SNW post on X saying these boys aren't members? (whatever constitutes being a member). A lot unravelling on social media of pics of these guys in amongst SNW front and centre contributing to their ethos of creating an atmosphere. One boy involved wearing a SNW hoodie ffs I'm not really sure how, or why Jason Canning would be responsible for what happened after the game. It seems pretty poor form for me to use the incident as an excuse to pile on him tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Toun Clock Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Main story on the STV News, what a great 24 hours for the club... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specky Ginger Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, embow said: Looks like they've lifted and charged a seventeen year old according to breaking news. Unfortunately, due to sentencing guidelines for under 25s, they're unlikely to be punished severely, whereas in the past they'd have been looking at a stretch in Polmont. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, The Toun Clock said: . Anyone can buy a hoodie. They're available online from a Fife based sports kit retailer which is owned by the same guys who own Raith would you believe. https://mundialretrokits.co.uk/collections/section-north-west Oaft, mundial retro, which is owned by TSSD, which is owned by Andy Barrowman and Dean McKenzie? Disgustan!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmouth Strikes Again Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 (edited) 31 minutes ago, The Toun Clock said: Main story on the STV News, what a great 24 hours for the club... That was terrible, hopefully you get these scum named and shamed and permanently banned. Edited January 3 by Bigmouth Strikes Again 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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