Brother Blades Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Surprisingly on-thread remark actually! Some people in North Korea when to prison for not crying enough when Kim Jong Il died. Imagine if Thatcher had insisted on that. Al least, half of Scotland would be behind bars now. Showing your true colours now! I suppose you also think King Alec has an old, fat, barren wife! Ffs 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, Brother Blades said: Showing your true colours now! I suppose you also think King Alec has an old, fat, barren wife! Ffs Not sure what you mean by that. I know plenty of people who didn't cry when Thatcher died. Imagine explaining the popularity of "Hooray, the witch is dead" to the North Koreans! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 I'm imagining a communist post-Thatcher Scotland like this: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Miguel Sanchez said: I'm imagining a communist post-Thatcher Scotland like this: How would you like to be the driver of that car? They can't even be bothered to clear the snow off the windscreen. No pressure eh! Edited August 13, 2017 by Fullerene 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernLights Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-40931775 Trump should phone up the North Koreans and just make chicken noises. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 On 12/08/2017 at 08:17, Fullerene said: Both sides are to blame and I totally agree that the Soviet system was pretty much shit everywhere. I was simply pointing out the USA was not entirely innocent in this matter. On reflection, at the end of the war, the Soviets were still "allies" even if the Americans no longer trusted them. If the Soviets wanted to sent a million soldiers from Manchuria over to Japan "to get their photograph in front of Mount Fuji" then what would the Americans do about it. They hardly wanted to start the next war when they had only just finished the last one. So I guess appeasement was the easiest option and unfortunately Korea was located in the wrong place. If it had been located in Scandanavia would that have been better? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 1 hour ago, NorthernLights said: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-40931775 Trump should phone up the North Koreans and just make chicken noises. If it's going to kick off it will be next week when the US and South Korea are playing war games. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Jacksgranda said: If it had been located in Scandanavia would that have been better? For the Koreans - Yes. I think it was all a case of "The Russians are getting restless. They want a bit of Japan and not just the Kurile Islands" "They're not getting any of Japan. Give 'em somewhere else." "Okay where is this bit?" "Who cares - just give it to them. No - hang on. Cut in two and they can have half and we'll keep the other half. Don't see why they should get the lot." Of course, all of this was agreed to without anybody bothering to ask the Koreans themselves - but that is power politics for you and not that different from carving up Africa. .. and the Koreans were in no way responsible for World War 2 kicking off in the first place. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: If it's going to kick off it will be next week when the US and South Korea are playing war games. The Russians were terrified by Operation Able Archer back in 1983 but if Kim Jong Un gets a little bit paranoid about all this - he has his uncle and half brother to keep him thinking straight. Oh hang on - he had them both killed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 3 hours ago, NorthernLights said: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-40931775 Trump should phone up the North Koreans and just make chicken noises. Joke all you want but Trump is the first US president stupid enough to do the equivalent of that via Twitter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 I think it was all a case of "The Russians are getting restless. They want a bit of Japan and not just the Kurile Islands" "They're not getting any of Japan. Give 'em somewhere else." They got southern Sakhalin. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 On 13/08/2017 at 06:22, Fullerene said: Stalin was just paranoid full stop - and dangerous to know. I have read numerous books where somebody met him and suddenly their live was in danger. For example, some specialist might talk to him about the mating habits of butterflies and he would decide it went against communist ideology and therefore the specialist had to be shot. I remember reading about Stalin regularly hosting drinks with his comrades, having them all get roaringly drunk and then blackmailing them with the information they divulged to him. Between that and turning the man whose last wish was trying to cut down Stalin's influence into a near religious cult that boosted big Josef's powerbase and you can't deny he was a master manipulator and an evil fucker. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Just now, NotThePars said: I remember reading about Stalin regularly hosting drinks with his comrades, having them all get roaringly drunk and then blackmailing them with the information they divulged to him. Between that and turning the man whose last wish was trying to cut down Stalin's influence into a near religious cult that boosted big Josef's powerbase and you can't deny he was a master manipulator and an evil fucker. He absolutely shat it when Hitler invaded, disappeared to his Dacha thinking he'd rightly get the blame for making no defensive preparations. When the top bods went to check on him he was a gibbering wreck thinking they had come to kill him. They were still too scared/in awe of him though so he soon took charge again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) Totally botched things up with Hitler - thought the Nazi-Soviet Pact was great - and was supplying arms to the Nazis up until the day they attacked the USSR. He also decimated the armed forces - killing anyone he could not trust - virtually all of them. Collectivization was disastrous and killed millions with famine. Great guy - eh. The Russians seem to think so. https://themoscowtimes.com/news/stalins-popularity-in-russia-reaches-16-year-high-57152 Edited August 16, 2017 by Fullerene 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Fullerene said: Totally botched things up with Hitler - thought the Nazi-Soviet Pact was great - and was supplying arms to the Nazis up until the day they attacked the USSR. He also decimated the armed forces - killing anyone he could not trust - virtually all of them. Collectivization was disastrous and killed millions with famine. Great guy - eh. The Russians seem to think so. https://themoscowtimes.com/news/stalins-popularity-in-russia-reaches-16-year-high-57152 When you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on Paul's vote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 On 13/08/2017 at 12:33, welshbairn said: Wish they'd attack Inverness. I see they've airbrushed the flies out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 1 hour ago, NewBornBairn said: I see they've airbrushed the flies out. And the pish streams sad to say. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Northern Japan residents told to take cover as a missile is launched over the country by North Korea.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 So what do P&Bs geopolitics experts make of the japanese? Will they brush it off as high jinks or will pyongyang be an ash pit by morning? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetterlund Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Strongly advising them not to do it again should be a sufficient deterrent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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