RandomGuy. Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 16 minutes ago, Illgresi said: Out of interest can you pull up your play style graphs to compare Ferguson, Allan Campbell, and Ali McCann? And try not to get a chubby on while doing it! Comparisons are based on league only figures, over the past 3 seasons. Percentage in brackets is "style similarity". Just my view, but McCann looks a closer fit in terms of how he plays and how he performs, just not quite at Fergusons level yet. Campbell, on paper, doesn't win the ball nearly as much as most people would assume, but would maybe be a better replacement considering your struggles in front of goal this season? Depends if you want a direct replacement or something different, I guess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illgresi Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Comparisons are based on league only figures, over the past 3 seasons. Percentage in brackets is "style similarity". Just my view, but McCann looks a closer fit in terms of how he plays and how he performs, just not quite at Fergusons level yet. Campbell, on paper, doesn't win the ball nearly as much as most people would assume, but would maybe be a better replacement considering your struggles in front of goal this season? Depends if you want a direct replacement or something different, I guess. Interesting, admittedly I don't see much of Campbell and McCann outside of Dons game, but I always had him pegged as a more attacking player, and Campbell as more of a ball winner. Completely the opposite it would seem. It looks as though neither are at Ferguson's level yet though in general, despite being equal or better in the odd area. What's the difference between creator and playmaker out of interest? Edited May 19, 2021 by Illgresi 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, Illgresi said: Interesting, admittedly I don't see much of Campbell and McCann outside of Dons game, but I always had him pegged as a more attacking player, and Campbell as more of a ball winner. Completely the opposite it would seem. It looks as though neither are at Ferguson's level yet though in general, despite being equal or better in the odd area. What's the difference between creator and playmaker out of interest? I think creator is assists etc and playmaker passing accuracy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 Just now, Illgresi said: Interesting, admittedly I don't see much of Campbell and McCann outside of Dons game, but I always had him pegged as a more attacking player, and Campbell as more of a ball winner. Completely the opposite it would seem. It looks as though neither are at Ferguson's level yet though in general, despite being equal or better in the odd area. What's the difference between creator and playmaker out of interest? Yeah I'm always surprised Campbell comes out so low, but he seems to be more about pressing players rather than actually winning the ball, McCann/Ferguson pick up a lot of interceptions that Campbell doesn't. From memory McCann was a similar "goal threat" to both before this season, but his deeper role this year obviously affected that. Creator sets up chances/shots for his team mates, while playmaker is more in terms of just shuttling the ball about. And yeah, Ferguson is really good considering his age, and despite the hype hes had, I'm surprised its not higher. Hes got some technical flaws but for a 21yo hes incredibly well developed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 (edited) Some of the twitter comments are unreal. The lad extended his contract and gave us 3 brilliant years. Edited May 19, 2021 by Merkland Red 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, Merkland Red said: Some of the twitter comments are unreal. The lad extended his contract and gave us 3 brilliant years. I'll be sad to see him go, but it's hard to blame him considering a Premiership side wants him. He might never get this chance again. The great thing is that we'll get a decent fee for him. Good business all-round. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illgresi Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Yeah I'm always surprised Campbell comes out so low, but he seems to be more about pressing players rather than actually winning the ball, McCann/Ferguson pick up a lot of interceptions that Campbell doesn't. From memory McCann was a similar "goal threat" to both before this season, but his deeper role this year obviously affected that. Creator sets up chances/shots for his team mates, while playmaker is more in terms of just shuttling the ball about. And yeah, Ferguson is really good considering his age, and despite the hype hes had, I'm surprised its not higher. Hes got some technical flaws but for a 21yo hes incredibly well developed. On that basis we'd need a way to see how many errors or backwards passes Campbell forces, and possibly average distance covered/90mins to get a better picture. Not sure how available that kind of info is? Edited May 19, 2021 by Illgresi 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 Just now, Illgresi said: On that basis we'd need a way to see how many errors or backwards passes Campbell forces, and possibly average distance covered/90mins to get a better picture. Yeah I wish I had access to that tbh. FBRef have that type of stuff, plus "pressures" etc., but only for the top 5 leagues. Scottish football is kind of a barren wasteland of data in comparison. You'd have to go to Opta or that for it, and they charge unreal amounts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illgresi Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 1 minute ago, RandomGuy. said: Yeah I wish I had access to that tbh. FBRef have that type of stuff, plus "pressures" etc., but only for the top 5 leagues. Scottish football is kind of a barren wasteland of data in comparison. You'd have to go to Opta or that for it, and they charge unreal amounts. Aye, it's getting into "real" data analysis. An interesting job for an engineer and football fan like myself, but no doubt very poorly paid (in Scotland at least)! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Illgresi said: Aye, it's getting into "real" data analysis. An interesting job for an engineer and football fan like myself, but no doubt very poorly paid (in Scotland at least)! Get the impression a lot of it is a case of "if we need you we'll get in touch, but don't expect a wage in between" scenarios tbh. I just do it as a hobby as its always interested me. Trying to see how accurate I can get these things. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Grimes Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 15 minutes ago, Merkland Red said: Some of the twitter comments are unreal. The lad extended his contract and gave us 3 brilliant years. Some folk are genuinely ill in the head Let him go if the price is right 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyDickFingers Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 1 minute ago, RandomGuy. said: for a 21yo hes incredibly well developed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarleyQuinn Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 If Ferguson doesn't wish to remain here then its best we sell him for a decent fee. I've nothing against the lad and wish him the best going forward. Hopefully we can get 3-4 million for him. As it happens, I think now is the right time to sell him as it would allow us to rebuild the squad this summer. Irvine would be a fantastic replacement. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A96 Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 9 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said: I'll be sad to see him go, but it's hard to blame him considering a Premiership side wants him. He might never get this chance again. The great thing is that we'll get a decent fee for him. Good business all-round. Barring another global economic meltdown , at least the timing of it means his value shouldn't be adversely affected (for a few months anyway) by getting injured and/or his playing form taking a nose-dive a la McKenna and Cosgrove. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 Regan Hendry hopefully. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Merkland Red said: Disappointing. Transfer requests are not received they are slapped in. Hopefully we get a decent fee here. Making a big issue of it in public should help hype his profile. Sensible approach. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofarl Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 Boards are also rocked when they get slapped in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 8 minutes ago, CCB19035 said: I don't begrudge him wanting to move, it's natural, and probably the right time. Trying to force a move though, especially with an offer as derisory as the one suggested, is a disgrace. If his suitors know there's an unhappy player, it's hardly going to make them bid the asking price, when they know we risk keeping a disgruntled employee beyond the summer, is it? Bellend. Probably badly advised by his baldy, *** c**t of a dad. Believe me, his da is more than delighted with his development at Aberdeen. There was no one happier than him when we were beating the ****. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illgresi Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 @RandomGuy. I've got another one for you if you're willing and able. Ferguson this season vs John McGinn 2015/16. Do your stats go back that far? Ta 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 Just now, Illgresi said: @RandomGuy. I've got another one for you if you're willing and able. Ferguson this season vs John McGinn 2015/16. Do your stats go back that far? Ta Only the past 3 seasons I'm afraid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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