The Famous Aberdeen - Season 2022/23

[kingjoey]

25 minutes ago, naegoodinthedark said:

I know we've been shite for a while, but  saddened to see him go.  With little money for a rebuild, I have a real fear for next season.  Think we can kiss the guaranteed top six finishes goodbye.

 

It's all Scott Fucking Wrights fault.

It’s actually Scott Brown’s fault for assaulting Marley Watkins and putting him out for the season.

[johnnydun]

5 minutes ago, Caledonian1 said:

Forfar I assume?  Either that or I will clype that you are encouraging speeding

New bypass fair cuts the time doon.

[Caledonian1]

5 minutes ago, Rodhull said:

Oh here we go it's not the 80s anymore. How can you do better? Get the bingo cards out.

You're right he did earn some credit. The last season and a half of eye bleeding football and under achieving was it.

Telling us to enjoy mediocrity but 1 goal in 9 is acceptable.

could make an arguement that the Dons have been the worst side to watch in the entire SPFL since christmas 2019....it's been brutal and had there been fans at Pittordie I suspect this day would have come earlier,

Like many others I liked McInnes but the the last 18 months have been brutal and his panic change out of forward line in the January window clarified that he didnt really know what to do to make things better.

St Johnstone (and even bloody Rangers) have won as many trophies as we have scored goals in the last six weeks

Growing the beard and slicking back the hair.....big mistake

 

[highland_mechanic]

1 minute ago, Bob Mahelp said:

Half Cut guy is right in one way....the task of the next manager will be the most difficult at Pittodrie since Porterfield replaced Fergie. 

The new manager has very little wriggle room. He needs.....at the very least....to maintain the consistency that McInnes put in place. He'll need as a bare minimum to get top 4 finishes and cup finals. On top of that bare minimum, he'll need to improve the standard of football. 

But that's only the minimum. Consistency may not be good enough. It'll be DEMANDED of him to win trophies, and put pressure on the OF. 

All of that, on a budget which is decreasing. 

That is fucking tough. Honestly.

Well it certainly shows that Dave Cormack thinks the club with comfortably the 3rd biggest budget should be higher than 4th

[Rodhull]

6 minutes ago, HalfCutNinja said:

Marginally under-achieving by finishing one place below the best possible league finish the club is capable of, after four consecutive second place finishes.

So in effect he won the title four times in a row, then finished second twice and Aberdeen fans were wanting him sacked. That's how deluded they are.

Its nine games mate, not fifty, and the fact they're still in fourth after a run like that shows what a good job he was doing. 

 

Edited to add

 

He also lost his best central defender (also his captain) and best centre forward. And still was fourth after a bad run.  Astonishing decision, but this is what pressure from fans without a clue can do.

Didn’t know he lost Joe Lewis or that he played him  at centre half. Maybe that was the problem all along.

[Bogbrush1903]

30 minutes ago, naegoodinthedark said:

 Think we can kiss the guaranteed top six finishes goodbye.

Hmmm, is this what we've become as a support? 

[Guest Wieghortsnut]

2 hours ago, Frank Grimes said:

Mate just said he saw Stephen Glass bombing it up North Anderson Drive on the Coca Cola bike 

Huge if true 

My mate got that bike from him, someone stole it from outside his house about a month after the cup final

[Rodhull]

3 minutes ago, Caledonian1 said:

Like many others I liked McInnes but the the last 18 months have been brutal and his panic change out of forward line in the January window clarified that he didnt really know what to do to make things better.

 

I was too young for the Fergie era. Alex Smith is probably the only contender besides Mcinnes for the best manager we’ve had in the time I’ve supported the club.  I don’t even expect the next manager to necessarily do as well as Mcinnes but the day you think the way things have been going is acceptable is the day the club has pretty much given up.

[HalfCutNinja]

9 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

Half Cut guy is right in one way....the task of the next manager will be the most difficult at Pittodrie since Porterfield replaced Fergie. 

The new manager has very little wriggle room. He needs.....at the very least....to maintain the consistency that McInnes put in place. He'll need as a bare minimum to get top 4 finishes and cup finals. On top of that bare minimum, he'll need to improve the standard of football. 

But that's only the minimum. Consistency may not be good enough. It'll be DEMANDED of him to win trophies, and put pressure on the OF. 

All of that, on a budget which is decreasing. 

That is fucking tough. Honestly.

Its impossible.

You could hand pick any manger on earth, not one of them could achieve even half of that.

My concern is Scottish football. A strong Aberdeen is good for Scottish football.

We didn't have a strong Aberdeen for twenty years, then McInnes gave us one. 

There will be no improvement on results as a result of changing manager, as they can't be any better than they have been. They could be better to watch, but improvement on results is out of the question.

I actually liken McInnes' time at Aberdeen to Simeone at Atletico. Took over a team that are a big club in their league but had been underachieving for a long time. Re-established them as a force by playing football that often isn't great to watch but very effective. 

Feel very sorry for him, he really couldn't have done much more. 

[kingjoey]

33 minutes ago, Rodhull said:

We've scored 1 goal in 9 games with no improvement in sight. How bad does it have to be before you think a change needs to be made?

You’ve surely got to acknowledge that it is not McInnes’ fault that we have scored 1 goal in 9 games. Numerous chances over these games to have have scored more than enough to have won most of them. 

[Dons_1988]

Our next manager is extremely likely to be less successful than Derek has been. I think that's obvious tbh. That doesn't however mean Derek was going to keep us in the top 4 in perpetuity. 

The lifecycle has just come to an end but anyone expecting a dramatic upturn in the next couple of years is likely to be disappointed.

[DrewDon]

A nice thread:

 

[Bogbrush1903]

24 minutes ago, HalfCutNinja said:

So in effect he won the title four times in a row, then finished second twice and Aberdeen fans were wanting him sacked.

You must be on the wind up, still half cut or in serious need of sleep.

He did well enough up to the summer of 2017 and then it started to slowly slide.  With hindsight, it would have been better all round if he left for Sunderland. 

The club, the fans and the board need a refresh and take a chance on someone new. That's what life is all about, taking calculated risks and renewing when things become stale. 

In fact, I'd  say Derek McInnes needs a new challenge too.. 

Edited March 8, 2021 by Bogbrush1903

[Rodhull]

4 minutes ago, kingjoey said:

You’ve surely got to acknowledge that it is not McInnes’ fault that we have scored 1 goal in 9 games. Numerous chances over these games to have have scored more than enough to have won most of them. 

He’s as much to blame as anyone. He and Docherty pick and train the players. This kind of near record breaking run two seasons in a row is hardly coincidence.

[G51]

4 minutes ago, kingjoey said:

You’ve surely got to acknowledge that it is not McInnes’ fault that we have scored 1 goal in 9 games. Numerous chances over these games to have have scored more than enough to have won most of them. 

This is an area where xG is a genuinely useful tool.

Since the 2-0 win against Motherwell up until the Celtic game at the end of February, Aberdeen had a cumulative xG of 6.74. So for those matches, Aberdeen should have scored somewhere between 6 and 7 goals but only scored one.

This is very likely to correct itself in the short term as luck evens out, so Aberdeen fans should probably expect to see more goals soon which will be put down to the "new manager bounce".

Having said that though, an average xG per match of 0.84 is really poor, so while Aberdeen should have scored more they still weren't creating at the level they had previously in the season.

[HalfCutNinja]

4 minutes ago, Bogbrush1903 said:

You must be on the wind up, still half cut or in serious need of sleep.

He did well enough up to the summer of 2017 and then it started to slowly slide.  With hindsight, it would have been better all round if he left for Sunderland. 

The club, the fans and the board need a refresh and take a chance on someone new. That's what life is all about, taking calculated risks and renewing when things become stale. 

In fact, I'd  say Derek McInnes needs a new challenge too.. 

You mean he did absolutely outstanding, performing above all expectations, and bringing a level of success not seen for decades. 

Only in the mind of an Aberdeen fan does this represent 'doing well enough'.

Since then he's lost McKenna, Cosgrove, Shinnie, Jack and McLean.

Alex Ferguson said the hardest thing to do in management is maintain a level of success whilst rebuilding a team. And McInnes has managed that, but its not good enough for a deluded support.

Taking a risk for what gain? What do you hope to attain by taking this risk? As improvement isn't possible, so its not a calculated risk, its a stupid and unnecessary risk for zero gain.

He probably wouldn't mind being away from the most entitled support in the country who don't even recognise success when he delivers it, I would imagine that is a relief.

[BucksburnDandy]

This is an area where xG is a genuinely useful tool.
Since the 2-0 win against Motherwell up until the Celtic game at the end of February, Aberdeen had a cumulative xG of 6.74. So for those matches, Aberdeen should have scored somewhere between 6 and 7 goals but only scored one.
This is very likely to correct itself in the short term as luck evens out, so Aberdeen fans should probably expect to see more goals soon which will be put down to the "new manager bounce".
Having said that though, an average xG per match of 0.84 is really poor, so while Aberdeen should have scored more they still weren't creating at the level they had previously in the season.

Thanks G51, very interesting use of xG. What it shows is that our biggest issue isn't the strikers but rather the lack of chance creation from Hayes, McGinn, Ferguson, McLennan and Kennedy to name a few. Anyone who sat through the second half on Saturday which Tarapoa kindly described as purgatory will recognise that issue very clearly shown by xG.

[HibsFan]

13 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said:

Our next manager is extremely likely to be less successful than Derek has been. I think that's obvious tbh. That doesn't however mean Derek was going to keep us in the top 4 in perpetuity. 

The lifecycle has just come to an end but anyone expecting a dramatic upturn in the next couple of years is likely to be disappointed.

If Sheerin wins the Scottish Cup he'll have been more successful by May.

[Leith Green]

1 hour ago, Bob Mahelp said:

our club could become like they are, if the correct decsions are not made

You mean in 3rd spot?

[G51]

11 minutes ago, BucksburnDandy said:

17 minutes ago, G51 said:

This is an area where xG is a genuinely useful tool.
Since the 2-0 win against Motherwell up until the Celtic game at the end of February, Aberdeen had a cumulative xG of 6.74. So for those matches, Aberdeen should have scored somewhere between 6 and 7 goals but only scored one.
This is very likely to correct itself in the short term as luck evens out, so Aberdeen fans should probably expect to see more goals soon which will be put down to the "new manager bounce".
Having said that though, an average xG per match of 0.84 is really poor, so while Aberdeen should have scored more they still weren't creating at the level they had previously in the season.

Thanks G51, very interesting use of xG. What it shows is that our biggest issue isn't the strikers but rather the lack of chance creation from Hayes, McGinn, Ferguson, McLennan and Kennedy to name a few. Anyone who sat through the second half on Saturday which Tarapoa kindly described as purgatory will recognise that issue very clearly shown by xG.

Yeah, I think there's truth in both narratives - Aberdeen clearly aren't creating enough, but they're also not finishing the chances they do make either.

Two games stand out as being particularly awful in that run - the 2-0 loss to Livi and the 0-0 with St Mirren. Combined 0.68xG, 14 shots, 5 on target, with the only half-chance created during the 180 minutes being Ferguson's shot which came crashing off the crossbar and bounced off the line.

McInnes has definitely been a little unlucky, but not unlucky enough that a normal scoring rate would have given Aberdeen good results. So the chance creation is probably the bigger issue, and it's also the toughest one to fix.

Edited March 8, 2021 by G51