The Famous Aberdeen - Season 2022/23

[kingjoey]

21 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said:

At least we'll be no further off 4th come Saturday night.

(Is that cheery enough for you? )

It’s better, but I worry for you if we beat St Johnstone next Tuesday.

[kingjoey]

16 minutes ago, naegoodinthedark said:

Where we getting these 4 points from Joey?

You’re disputing that we’re four points off fourth, which is all I said.

[logie skid boys]

Well looks like it’s all coming down this next two games win them both and as poor as we’ve been at times were right back in it for the season..

Never mind Ramsey ,Ferguson  etc , if one player I would hate lose its McCrorie.   Been immense at times by far the player year so far for me .always guaranteed to give his all .He is a captain. More like him and we wouldn’t be struggling . So roll on the Weekend ,  Glass will Ken it’s make or break. I’m. Looking forward to it .

[Melanius Mullarkey]

1 hour ago, Miguel Sanchez said:

There's a beauty contest that nobody wants to see.

Lies.

Spoiler

 

[coprolite]

1 hour ago, Miguel Sanchez said:

There's a beauty contest that nobody wants to see.

She's

 

 

I apologise. 

[DukDukGoose]

1 hour ago, Frank Grimes said:

I always admire Joey’s positivity, I wish I was able to always lean towards the best case scenario 

Sadly it’s becoming clear we haven’t been coached to an appropriate standard this season and the results are consistently confirming this 

Defeat on Saturday and I genuinely can’t see the logic of persisting with Glass

Get a proper manager in to give us half a chance of 4th ffs 

I disagree with this. 

I think it's clear to see what Glass is trying to do and I don't think it's far away from working. Unfortunately we don't have the personnel to make it work successfully.

[coprolite]

1 minute ago, Merkland Red said:

I disagree with this. 

I think it's clear to see what Glass is trying to do and I don't think it's far away from working. Unfortunately we don't have the personnel to make it work successfully.

I don't think it's that clear what he's trying to do in the final third. 

[betting competition]

30 minutes ago, IDoNotKnowThisOne said:

I don't know about you but I struggle to get excited about a race for fourth place with heaps of shit we should be beating (relative to our budget.) 

I suppose finishing 4th or higher for 8 seasons doesn't make that exciting anymore but I remember before that when we went 4 seasons our highest position was 8th and that was because Rangers was liquidated. 

Edited February 10, 2022 by betting competition

[Frank Grimes]

6 minutes ago, Merkland Red said:

I disagree with this. 

I think it's clear to see what Glass is trying to do and I don't think it's far away from working. Unfortunately we don't have the personnel to make it work successfully.

The principles may be sound but the execution isn’t there and we are a shambles defensively 

I wouldn’t call that an acceptable standard of coaching almost a year in 

[Dons_1988]

5 minutes ago, coprolite said:

I don't think it's that clear what he's trying to do in the final third. 

No, it isn’t. 

[lubo_blaha]

The season isn’t necessarily over if we lose on Saturday but I can see a large portion of our support chucking it if we do. The only way we could salvage the season from there would be to go on a good run and get into Europe but I’m becoming less and less convinced that he’s capable of turning it around. If we’re in the bottom six by the split then I could see Cormack pulling the trigger as season ticket renewals will be on the line. Like most, I’d love Glass to succeed but to be lingering at the wrong end of the table with a large budget when at least 4th place is there for the taking isn’t good enough.

[DukDukGoose]

2 minutes ago, coprolite said:

I don't think it's that clear what he's trying to do in the final third. 

If teams sit as deep as they do against you in Scotland you've four options. 

1) Shoot from range

2) play it wide to cross it

3) play long balls over the top

4) play the ball around to find a bit of space once the defence commit.

We go for option 4 but some of the players just aren't good enough to do it. Ojo, for example, usually takes 3 touches to do what a Celtic player will do in one. Hedges was good at making the space but was too one footed and usually shot when he should pass and vice versa.

Glass is not the man for me but I think we'll look back at the good work he started favourably a long time after he's gone. Same as we did with Paw Broon.

 

 

[DukDukGoose]

Just now, IDoNotKnowThisOne said:

He wants to give Ojo a contract.

 

So, clearly glass thinks he is good enough to do it. 
 

Our best chances of scoring are almost always set pieces. 
 

We create very little in the way of clear chances from open play. 

Or he's not publicly announcing the player is finished at the club a few months before the season finishes?

[DukDukGoose]

3 minutes ago, IDoNotKnowThisOne said:

No, he's publicly announcing that he wants to enter talks over a new contract. 
 

If he was finished he'd surely just say nothing? 

He was asked about Ojos contract situation. He said we'll look at it after the window closes.

 

[gudge1903]

Our biggest issue is our new recruitment policy based on stats.  On one hand I'd love us to sack Glass and get a proven and tested guy in but we'd be back usual nonsense of signing guys with injury history or that have failed down south and want to come home.

I've wanted us to follow clubs like Brentford etc for years. Unfortunately for us, Cormack and Glass is this is ground zero. If this experiment is going to work then next season is the time to judge although season tickets etc will take a hit until the evidence starts to show a stats based recruitment is better than McInnes old pals act or asking Shay Logan who he jumped about with in English lower leagues.

Biggest issue regarding this year is how the f*CK we ended up with dumplings like Jumbo JET etc. I think we just hoped a few of these guys would hit it off well enough to keep us in top 3 or 4 in league.

Glass may fail but we can't go back to signing Forresters and Gleesons on big bucks who are absolutely murder. I'm encouraged by Besuijen and if AFC are signing guys like that with pace, tenacity, ability and sell on value then we may just be onto something.

Stats, scouting and exploring new markets that are less expensive than English lower leagues are the future. We need Glass to be a relative success next year to show future prospective managers and coaches that coaching a first team being fed by stats based recruitment is less risky than taking over a more traditional club and their recruitment policy.

It's the hope that kills you but it needs more than a season to judge coaching, new recruitment and all the other crap that goes with itm

 

(I know it looks bad just now but we need to stick it out as the possible benefits are huge for us)

 

[coprolite]

19 minutes ago, Merkland Red said:

If teams sit as deep as they do against you in Scotland you've four options. 

1) Shoot from range

2) play it wide to cross it

3) play long balls over the top

4) play the ball around to find a bit of space once the defence commit.

We go for option 4 but some of the players just aren't good enough to do it. Ojo, for example, usually takes 3 touches to do what a Celtic player will do in one. Hedges was good at making the space but was too one footed and usually shot when he should pass and vice versa.

Glass is not the man for me but I think we'll look back at the good work he started favourably a long time after he's gone. Same as we did with Paw Broon.

 

 

It’s not just the players though. 

It might help if i was clearer what i meant. It's not obvious that Glass has any idea how to make his tactics work. 

To break down packed defences by passing around you need some movement. A celtic midfielder 25 yards out will have someone running past him, someone running channels or into space wide, and someone else running across the back line. We'll be lucky to have one of those and will mostly have players static in their starting place. I say mostly, because we can have good movement and did for most of the second half yesterday but it feels like something the players occasionally figure out rather than their instructions. 

[DukDukGoose]

1 hour ago, coprolite said:

It’s not just the players though. 

It might help if i was clearer what i meant. It's not obvious that Glass has any idea how to make his tactics work. 

To break down packed defences by passing around you need some movement. A celtic midfielder 25 yards out will have someone running past him, someone running channels or into space wide, and someone else running across the back line. We'll be lucky to have one of those and will mostly have players static in their starting place. I say mostly, because we can have good movement and did for most of the second half yesterday but it feels like something the players occasionally figure out rather than their instructions. 

I think they managed it yesterday because there's generally more space against a team like Celtic once you beat their press.

One game against Hibs aside, we've been decent to good against the four bigger teams in the league. The teams that will leave gaps. It's no surprise and I've said as such before every game.

The players were coached to play a certain way under the previous manager for years. If you couldn't do it, you were out the door as quickly as you came in. Some of them are still here and probably haven't adapted as well as hoped. 

I know it isn't to everyone's liking, but tactical analysis guys on twitter have been highlighting the differences since The first few games of the Glass era. I just genuinely don't think we have the talent to do it clinically enough to be a success at the moment.

I wouldn't give Glass another season. I do think he'd be a success with some better recruitment though. As @gudge1903 says, I think to be successful at our level we need to go down the stats and analysis route. More Besuijen rather than the eyeball test like JET or who used to be good (May, Maynard etc).

Edit: I should add, I don't feel Glass should continue to try to play in this manner without the personnel, it may work out in the long run though.

Edited February 10, 2022 by Merkland Red

[coprolite]

22 minutes ago, Merkland Red said:

I think they managed it yesterday because there's generally more space against a team like Celtic once you beat their press.

One game against Hibs aside, we've been decent to good against the four bigger teams in the league. The teams that will leave gaps. It's no surprise and I've said as such before every game.

The players were coached to play a certain way under the previous manager for years. If you couldn't do it, you were out the door as quickly as you came in. Some of them are still here and probably haven't adapted as well as hoped. 

I know it isn't to everyone's liking, but tactical analysis guys on twitter have been highlighting the differences since The first few games of the Glass era. I just genuinely don't think we have the talent to do it clinically enough to be a success at the moment.

I wouldn't give Glass another season. I do think he'd be a success with some better recruitment though. As @gudge1903 says, I think to be successful at our level we need to go down the stats and analysis route. More Besuijen rather than the eyeball test like JET or who used to be good (May, Maynard etc).

Edit: I should add, I don't feel Glass should continue to try to play in this manner without the personnel, it may work out in the long run though.

Yes, it should be obvious to a manager that you need to play in a way that your players can actually play. Changing players to fit a system is a long term project and i'd rather we didn't do it in the second tier. 

[big al]

3 hours ago, logie skid boys said:

Well looks like it’s all coming down this next two games win them both and as poor as we’ve been at times were right back in it for the season..

Never mind Ramsey ,Ferguson  etc , if one player I would hate lose its McCrorie.   Been immense at times by far the player year so far for me .always guaranteed to give his all .He is a captain. More like him and we wouldn’t be struggling . So roll on the Weekend ,  Glass will Ken it’s make or break. I’m. Looking forward to it .

Nobody tries as hard as Hayes every single week, regardless of how well he or the team are performing.

Star man these days. 
McCrorie has a great attitude as well and is very likeable, has to learn to pass the ball better though.

[tarapoa]

4 hours ago, lubo_blaha said:

Has anyone ever managed to make it to the end of one of their podcasts by the way? Enjoy listening to them but 3 hours is pretty excessive.

ABZ is a really enjoyable podcast.  I think the presenters are bright lads and good crack, plus their guests have mainly been very interesting.

Now that I need to commute again three days a week I tend to use the drive to and from work to listen and eventually get through it all.

I find that and Here We Go are both very good for dandies chat.  Only 'The Red Line' (geopolitics) compares for Podcasts I will make sure I listen to.

Edited February 10, 2022 by tarapoa