shull Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 It's great to have a reasonably strong Dundee United in the Championship.. Should be a bumper attendance at Greenhill Road tomorrow night. What dae you think Krissy Commons ? Maybe if we demote Sevco FC 2012 to the bottom tier of Scottish football, the beautiful game will flourish again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Dundee United have been in existence for 109 years but have only spent 59 seasons in the top division of the Scottish League... Bad idea to need someone if they're only around half the time? 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 McPherson was talking some amount of shite about video technology and the 1998 world cup tonight. Video tech is quite a complicated issue - and the contributors tonight made it ridiculously simple. The level of debate was fucking atrocious. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 1 hour ago, DA Baracus said: Kris Commons said that we need a strong Dundee United in the Premiership. No one asked him why. Old slavering moron Archie Macpherson said that one of the things about the 'Old Firm'* game is that 'they both want to win it'. Quite how that distinguishes it from circa 99.99% of all games ever is a mystery (I would have said 100% but there was that dodgy draw in the World Cup that time) This is a classic with Willie Miller one of the main offenders. Over the last few years we've apparently needed a strong Hearts, Rangers, Hibs and now Dundee United back in the Premiership while the "diddy" teams like Caley Thistle and Ross County can do one. The fact that a number of these so-called smaller clubs have won major trophies more recently than Dundee United seems to pass them by. I always wonder if there's an equivalent for the English Premier League bemoaning the lack of Leeds United and Nottingham Forest in the top flight and wanting the likes of Swansea and Stoke to do the honourable thing and swap league position. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 This is a classic with Willie Miller one of the main offenders. Over the last few years we've apparently needed a strong Hearts, Rangers, Hibs and now Dundee United back in the Premiership while the "diddy" teams like Caley Thistle and Ross County can do one. The fact that a number of these so-called smaller clubs have won major trophies more recently than Dundee United seems to pass them by. I always wonder if there's an equivalent for the English Premier League bemoaning the lack of Leeds United and Nottingham Forest in the top flight and wanting the likes of Swansea and Stoke to do the honourable thing and swap league position. To play devil's advocate...Our game is short of money, and a lot of folk think that more money will improve the standard overall. Ergo bigger clubs = more money (higher gates, better TV deal). I'm not convinced by this argument but there is some rationale behind it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 They seem to be obsessed with a snapshot of the top league from the early 1980s and think that, for some reason, this is how the top league should always be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, pandarilla said: To play devil's advocate... Our game is short of money, and a lot of folk think that more money will improve the standard overall. Ergo bigger clubs = more money (higher gates, better TV deal). I'm not convinced by this argument but there is some rationale behind it. St Mirren v Dundee United tomorrow night , probably around 5000. St Mirren v Dundee United, say in the Premiership, probably beteween 3000 and 3500. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 28 minutes ago, shull said: St Mirren v Dundee United tomorrow night , probably around 5000. St Mirren v Dundee United, say in the Premiership, probably beteween 3000 and 3500. Just say thank you to Celtic for keeping Lewis Morgan at st mirren? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 As I've noted before: it's clear that for someone like Chic Young the top division must contain Rangers, Celtic, Hearts, Hibs, Aberdeen, Dundee Utd, Dundee, Partick, Kilmarnock, Motherwell, and - if it has to contain 12 instead of 10 - you're also talking St Mirren and Dunfermline (but possibly Falkirk or maybe St Johnstone). Think we'd previously established this actually happened about once. On TV deals - these are multi-year, and the value has also varied comparatively little deal to deal. Despite their "OF derby" clause, Sky didn't even cancel when Rangers went bust. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 1 hour ago, HibeeJibee said: Dundee United have been in existence for 109 years but have only spent 59 seasons in the top division of the Scottish League... Bad idea to need someone if they're only around half the time? Considering the top flight has contained either 18 or 20 teams in over half the seasons the Scottish league football system has existed, that's pretty pathetic. Diddy club. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Nightmare said: Considering the top flight has contained either 18 or 20 teams in over half the seasons the Scottish league football system has existed, that's pretty pathetic. Diddy club. During the era of large divisions they spent 8 seasons in non-league football (only 1 before joining the Scottish League - they dropped out/were expelled on 2 occasions); 1 season in abeyance during WWII; 4 seasons in the lesser North-Eastern League during WWII; 1 season in the lower division of the Southern League at the end of WWII; 19 seasons in the top tier; plus 33 seasons in the second tier. Since then, in the era of small divisions, they've spent 40 seasons in the top tier; plus (at least) 3 seasons in the second tier. Overall:* top tier ... 59 * second tier/equivalent ... 41 * non-league ... 8 * abeyance ... 1 Edited December 29, 2017 by HibeeJibee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 2 hours ago, pandarilla said: McPherson was talking some amount of shite about video technology and the 1998 world cup tonight. Not to mention being pulled up by Derek Ferguson for using the term "coloured" players, then proceeding to say it again several times afterwards! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 St Mirren v Dundee United tomorrow night , probably around 5000. St Mirren v Dundee United, say in the Premiership, probably beteween 3000 and 3500. But Dundee United are the 6th biggest club in the country and draw higher crowds than 7 of the clubs currently in the Prem. Tomorrow’s game doesn’t really mean anything in regards to that argument. I 100 percent disagree with said argument by the way, clubs are where they are through playing football on the park where it matters. Not because of crowd sizes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodhull Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 4 hours ago, pandarilla said: McPherson was talking some amount of shite about video technology and the 1998 world cup tonight. Video tech is quite a complicated issue - and the contributors tonight made it ridiculously simple. The level of debate was fucking atrocious. Aye especially as it added nothing to the general point being made about whether Scottish football could afford goal line technology. Just sounded like he was wanting to make sure he got it in there that there was a time where he had a media position where he had some importance and wasn't just a racist old dick inexplicably still wheeled out on national radio. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaboz Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 What was the context of this? Table football? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 6 hours ago, 1320Lichtie said: But Dundee United are the 6th biggest club in the country and draw higher crowds than 7 of the clubs currently in the Prem. Tomorrow’s game doesn’t really mean anything in regards to that argument. It means plenty. It establishes that the wider game doesn't suffer on account of larger clubs finding themselves outside of the top flight. Indeed, some fixtures can acquire a greater appeal outside of that context. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 9 hours ago, pandarilla said: To play devil's advocate... Our game is short of money, and a lot of folk think that more money will improve the standard overall. Ergo bigger clubs = more money (higher gates, better TV deal). I'm not convinced by this argument but there is some rationale behind it. There really is not a rationale worthy of the name, because it bears no scrutiny and is entirely reliant on ignorance, usually self serving ignorance. Certain individual clubs being a little better off, does not impact on overall income at all in anything like the terms required to improve standards. That's even before we consider how such sums are distributed. We don't have to guess this; we know it because even without OF fixtures, as HJ says, the deals didn't suffer. To play "devil's advocate" on this, to suggest a "rationale" behind it, is merely to echo the ignorant fools already afforded too prominent a platform'. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 5 hours ago, Bairnardo said: What was the context of this? Ian Black and Scott Brown? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDanger27 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 As I've noted before: it's clear that for someone like Chic Young the top division must contain Rangers, Celtic, Hearts, Hibs, Aberdeen, Dundee Utd, Dundee, Partick, Kilmarnock, Motherwell, and - if it has to contain 12 instead of 10 - you're also talking St Mirren and Dunfermline (but possibly Falkirk or maybe St Johnstone). Doesn’t Chico always slaver on Ayr Utd being a sleeping giant and a big club - possibly because Ayr is a “football town” and had coal mines and industry near it. That’s Ayr Utd who have been asleep since the 1977/78 season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, McDanger27 said: Doesn’t Chico always slaver on Ayr Utd being a sleeping giant and a big club - possibly because Ayr is a “football town” and had coal mines and industry near it. That’s Ayr Utd who have been asleep since the 1977/78 season. We're just waiting for a frog with a winning Euromillions ticket to come along. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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