~~~ Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 SSN reporting Burnley have agreed a fee for Vossen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gannonball Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Just read in the metro that we have made 36million off 6 players being sold to the premier league in the past 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YassinMoutaouakil Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Just read in the metro that we have made 36million off 6 players being sold to the premier league in the past 3 years.Who's that? Ki, Forster, Hooper, Wanyama and now Matthews? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreenMonster Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Who's that? Ki, Forster, Hooper, Wanyama and now Matthews? Ledley also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gannonball Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 We can buy many a Bangura and a Balde for what we take in. As much as our flops get heavily scrutinised for what we get back off successful punts it's hard to fault our recruitment too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreenMonster Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Reports in Belgium that Celtic are about to sign their former international keeper Logan Bailly from OH Leuven, 29 year old with 8 caps for Belgium all earned around 6/7 years ago while he was playing in the Bundesliga, lost his place at Moenchengladbach and then had a couple of unsuccessful loan spells where he didn't get any playing time, moved to the Belgian 2nd division with OH where he was for 3 years before the got promoted back to the top flight at the end of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCelt67 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 We can buy many a Bangura and a Balde for what we take in. As much as our flops get heavily scrutinised for what we get back off successful punts it's hard to fault our recruitment too much. Agreed, whilst it's not perfect, then again, which clubs recruitment is, the good certainly outweighs the bad. Reports in Belgium that Celtic are about to sign their former international keeper Logan Bailly from OH Leuven, 29 year old with 8 caps for Belgium all earned around 6/7 years ago while he was playing in the Bundesliga, lost his place at Moenchengladbach and then had a couple of unsuccessful loan spells where he didn't get any playing time, moved to the Belgian 2nd division with OH where he was for 3 years before the got promoted back to the top flight at the end of last season. Zaluska was released wasn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Conway Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Reports in Belgium that Celtic are about to sign their former international keeper Logan Bailly from OH Leuven, 29 year old with 8 caps for Belgium all earned around 6/7 years ago while he was playing in the Bundesliga, lost his place at Moenchengladbach and then had a couple of unsuccessful loan spells where he didn't get any playing time, moved to the Belgian 2nd division with OH where he was for 3 years before the got promoted back to the top flight at the end of last season. Sensible signing with Gordon's injury history and considering Fasan didn't look much cop on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoopy1967 Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Our bid's been accepted for Ciftci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Our bid's been accepted for Ciftci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMMjag Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 That fills up the Amido Balde 'diddy who barely plays' vacancy then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vbhoy Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 That fills up the Amido Balde 'diddy who barely plays' vacancy then. Tbf he has to fill the shoes of Balde, Pukki and Fridjonsson at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoopy1967 Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 I think this could turn out alright tbh. We need another striker and Ciftci has a decent scoring record in the league. Better than going out and wasting £3 million+ on another Balde, Pukki etc. Only problem's the biting ban and the fact he's a nutter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeboy Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Only problem's the biting ban and the fact he's a nutter And that he's extremely average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoopy1967 Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 And that he's extremely average. True. But he may improve around better players. I'm willing to give him a chance anyway. He'll probably be an improvement on Scepovic at the least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Celtic's sights are just incredibly low nowadays. The PLC really are absolutely ripping the piss out of the fans, which is glorious to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Celtic's sights are just incredibly low nowadays. The PLC really are absolutely ripping the piss out of the fans, which is glorious to see. Not so sure that's the case. Celtic are adjusting to their situation and appear to be going with a fairly sensible transfer approach. They have speculated to various degrees of success on foreign players who can be sold on, and are backing that up with guys who have been proven as good enough in their domestic league. There would be very little upside to spending £5m on a player from outside of Scotland who already has a good reputation and having to compete with middle to lower end EPL teams on wages. They could have done it last season with Alfred Finnbogason who ended up at Sociedad on a wage which would have put him at the top end of Celtics wage structure. He scored 2 goals in 20 odd games and by most accounts has looked hopelessly out of his depth. A move like that would set Celtic back by several years. The only thing of real importance to Celtic right now is to ensure they win the title and get a shot at the Champions League. Based on their usual financial results they need to qualify for the Champions League once every 3 years to break even. Over extending themselves and spending big money would risk financial suicide. The approach they have now is not glamorous but it seems sensible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCelt67 Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 I think this could turn out alright tbh. We need another striker and Ciftci has a decent scoring record in the league. Better than going out and wasting £3 million+ on another Balde, Pukki etc. Only problem's the biting ban and the fact he's a nutter As things currently stand for me it's Griffiths over Ciftci, by quite a bit, ideally I would have preferred we signed someone to rival Griffiths not back him up. Celtic's sights are just incredibly low nowadays. The PLC really are absolutely ripping the piss out of the fans, which is glorious to see. I prefer the term "being realistic" rather than "incredibly low". Not so sure that's the case. Celtic are adjusting to their situation and appear to be going with a fairly sensible transfer approach. They have speculated to various degrees of success on foreign players who can be sold on, and are backing that up with guys who have been proven as good enough in their domestic league. There would be very little upside to spending £5m on a player from outside of Scotland who already has a good reputation and having to compete with middle to lower end EPL teams on wages. They could have done it last season with Alfred Finnbogason who ended up at Sociedad on a wage which would have put him at the top end of Celtics wage structure. He scored 2 goals in 20 odd games and by most accounts has looked hopelessly out of his depth. A move like that would set Celtic back by several years. The only thing of real importance to Celtic right now is to ensure they win the title and get a shot at the Champions League. Based on their usual financial results they need to qualify for the Champions League once every 3 years to break even. Over extending themselves and spending big money would risk financial suicide. The approach they have now is not glamorous but it seems sensible. Pretty much this. I would love nothing more than Celtic to go and break the bank bringing in a £6 million striker, but that's not going to happen for a number of reasons, two main ones being we don't need to, and given the wages that come with £6 million strikers, probably can't afford to. It's just a reflection as to where we sit at the dinner table these days, we need to handle our business with a cautious approach, as someone else on here pointed out we've made £36 million for the sale of 5 players to the English Prem, that more than covers the Banguras and Baldes of the world, but if we go down the road of expensive signings that don't work out, then we'd be in trouble. It's not the perfect scenario, but it is what it is, sign the odd foreigner with the hope you'll punt him for 3 times as much, and sign the odd player who is already established in Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 The only thing of real importance to Celtic right now is to ensure they win the title and get a shot at the Champions League. Based on their usual financial results they need to qualify for the Champions League once every 3 years to break even. Over extending themselves and spending big money would risk financial suicide. The approach they have now is not glamorous but it seems sensible. They don't need to risk financial suicide. I'm not talking about them bidding 25 million for a player. The title isn't in question. They can't fail to win that. It's not possible. But the quality of their squad is declining every year. It's how happy the fans are that Celtic's approach is really no different from Falkirk's. They hope to buy cheap and sell players on for a few million profit. They have no ambitions to actually build a squad based around the guys that turn out to be decent. There's never any thought of that. It's just a case of what percentage markup they can get on a player. European failure (which under a comedy manager like hopeless Deila is very likely) will see Van Dijk sold for another 10 million or so. I'm not saying it's a bad business plan - far from it. Celtic are managed (financially) very astutely. And you are right - they are happy to accept utter mediocrity on the park - as long as the cash keeps rolling in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 They don't need to risk financial suicide. I'm not talking about them bidding 25 million for a player. The title isn't in question. They can't fail to win that. It's not possible. But the quality of their squad is declining every year. It's how happy the fans are that Celtic's approach is really no different from Falkirk's. They hope to buy cheap and sell players on for a few million profit. They have no ambitions to actually build a squad based around the guys that turn out to be decent. There's never any thought of that. It's just a case of what percentage markup they can get on a player. European failure (which under a comedy manager like hopeless Deila is very likely) will see Van Dijk sold for another 10 million or so. I'm not saying it's a bad business plan - far from it. Celtic are managed (financially) very astutely. And you are right - they are happy to accept utter mediocrity on the park - as long as the cash keeps rolling in. The thing is, based on Celtics "guaranteed" income (In the region of £50m per year if they don't make the Champions League), it would take a move worth far less than £25m to put them back several years. For a 5m fee you are probably looking at a total outlay of £11-15m if you include wages, and if that player ends up a dud you then need to pray that someone takes him off your hands or you're left with a massive hole in your wage budget every year. Celtic are in a bit of a strange position these days. Barring an absolute clusterfuck of a season they are guaranteed league success, and with the Champions Route into the CL they should be good for qualification more years than not, but thanks to the economics of football they are largely reliant on finding players who cannot get a move to England yet and see them as a way in, or guys who realise that they will never quite make it to the highest level and feel that a few medals at the end of their career will compensate for only earning £10k a week instead of £50k a week. When Celtic bring in guys like Wanyama, Van Dijk, Forster and Ki they bring them in on the basis that they will be sold on to England when a reasonable fee is offered. Celtic don't have much choice but to accept those offers because if they stop accepting the money, the players won't join in the first place. It's an awkward trade between finding gems to be sold on and getting enough guys in who are happy to win the medals. They have a relatively good balance at the moment, but that could easily change if they fail to qualify for the CL and have to punt a player or two to balance the books. The one thing they really need to add to that is developing their own players to a better standard, and mixing that in with the 2 elements above. If they are less reliant on having to spend fees, they can offer more in wages which should then allow them to attract and keep a better standard of player, while still punting the odd player down South when a big offer comes in. As it stands they just need to accept being a mid sized fish in a very small fish tank, and work to a larger scale model of what the rest of the Scottish clubs have to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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