Sergeant Wilson Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 (edited) 10 hours ago, Barry Ferguson's Hat said: There hasn't been a good one in ages. Kimberlee Singler makes up for a low head count, with a fair amount of horror and stupidity. Still, they're welcome to extradite her via my house. Edited February 15 by Sergeant Wilson 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Biden, whomever incumbent at time needs conviction(s) brought against them 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 One of the shooters being tackled by Chiefs fans 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 (edited) 13 hours ago, Barry Ferguson's Hat said: There hasn't been a good one in ages. They're trying their best, 49th mass shooting in 45 days this year. P.S. Reportedly 2 of the gunmen fired their weapons from inside their rucksacks. Edited February 15 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 5 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Im sorry but i disagree with you, the up chief was the most senior officer at the locus, unless its claimed elsewhere that means given its his jurisdiction that its his ball. Granted i work in a different area, but as a supervisor if i go to something then its clear as to who is in charge and thats something that you have to be able to be answerable to your decisions. That idiot went to that school to play at big shot and was overwhelmed, his inaction led to children being killed. My understanding is the tactic is the same in the US as it is in the UK, that active shooters should be engaged and stopped, he failed to do that and actively prevented capable police officers from doing so. You can hear the shots going on as he holds the containment. It was despicable. Sometimes you find yourself in situations where you’re terrified, but he was a shitebag and should be locked up. Another one who loved the title ‘police chief’ but failed to do his duty. That statement isn’t disagreeing with me, other than misunderstanding the mixed jurisdictional question. The problem was you had officers from ISD, City and several other Federal and State agencies present and arriving at various times. The ISD Chief was the head of a small six person department, and was one of the first on the scene…he was clearing classrooms with a City Officer when they found where the gunman was barricaded when he opened fire (and they failed to shoot their way in…major error). His radio, known to fail to work inside school buildings, was in his patrol car, and he had been acting as a first responder. Given those factors, he “assumed” there was another coordinating Officer present…certainly the Uvalde police had a number of more senior Officers on site than the Chief of a small department, however then you get into rule, regulations and other crap. My point is they likely can’t prosecute him successfully, something I dislike intensely. His interviews laying out these f@cats are self-serving, but accurately sum up the issues with mutual aid agreements that don’t specify command and control. The current directive is to “push to the shooter until they are neutralised”. Those 400 or so responders failed to do that and, as a result, most of those children had to be identified by their shoes as they had been effectively decapitated by shots to the head. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 5 hours ago, 101 said: But no one charged yet which strikes me as odd, you would think it would be a pretty simple case. How? Witnesses are unreliable, and simply seeing a shooter tells the police nothing about if the shooter was a bad guy or a responding good guy (I know, it’s a f**king insane situation, but there’s a fair chance that plain clothes officers were dispersed throughout the crowd). You then have the fact the “identified person” is a description of one person in a crowd of hundreds of thousands. Literally hundreds, if not thousands, of people would have legally been carrying weapons at that event (again, I know). The other big problem is the most likely shooters in a case like this are from communities where the police are distrusted and witnesses will NOT easily or quickly come forward to talk to the police. The loss of local beat officers , and the isolation of patrol officers in vehicles, has eroded the lines of communication and trust to a great extent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Nederlander Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 4 hours ago, welshbairn said: They're trying their best, 49th mass shooting in 45 days this year. P.S. Reportedly 2 of the gunmen fired their weapons from inside their rucksacks. Some of the comments ffs NRA types falling over themselves to point out that this particular mass shooting involved an illegal gun 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 42 minutes ago, Ned Nederlander said: Some of the comments ffs NRA types falling over themselves to point out that this particular mass shooting involved an illegal gun Do the folk in the NRA think that there's any such thing as "an illegal gun"? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 2 hours ago, TxRover said: How? Witnesses are unreliable, and simply seeing a shooter tells the police nothing about if the shooter was a bad guy or a responding good guy (I know, it’s a f**king insane situation, but there’s a fair chance that plain clothes officers were dispersed throughout the crowd). You then have the fact the “identified person” is a description of one person in a crowd of hundreds of thousands. Literally hundreds, if not thousands, of people would have legally been carrying weapons at that event (again, I know). The other big problem is the most likely shooters in a case like this are from communities where the police are distrusted and witnesses will NOT easily or quickly come forward to talk to the police. The loss of local beat officers , and the isolation of patrol officers in vehicles, has eroded the lines of communication and trust to a great extent. The issues with too many forces in the states is clear, but school police depts should be drilled in what to do in these circumstances, they are supposed to drill for them and senior officers are supposed to know their role in the situation and unfortunately its not to jump about and be the hero when there are dozens of other police officers present, he failed to ensure he had appropriately functioning equipment, it was a failure of leadership, he failed to step back and coordinate allowing it to descend into chaos. He absolutely should be prosecuted. I know my role in the event of a major incident, he should have done his correctly and also ensured his department had functioning radios suitable for purpose. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 1 minute ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: The issues with too many forces in the states is clear, but school police depts should be drilled in what to do in these circumstances, they are supposed to drill for them and senior officers are supposed to know their role in the situation and unfortunately its not to jump about and be the hero when there are dozens of other police officers present, he failed to ensure he had appropriately functioning equipment, it was a failure of leadership, he failed to step back and coordinate allowing it to descend into chaos. He absolutely should be prosecuted. I know my role in the event of a major incident, he should have done his correctly and also ensured his department had functioning radios suitable for purpose. Absolutely agree…but he was officer number two on site and runs a 6 person department. His training was/is shit, his reaction wasn’t “bad” in terms of going in to hunt, but it was a HUGE mistake in terms of SOMEONE needed to be in clear control from the outset. If a single person have been in control, direction of officers to the barricaded classroom hallway AND the exterior windows would have allowed determination which of the two connected classrooms he was in and violent forcing of the other door WHILE officers engaged the shooter through the windows. Yes, there’s a shoot through risk, but there’s also innocent kids and teachers dying and it’s their job. All that being said, he can’t be prosecuted for failing to protect the kids, as the Supreme Court has said that’s not a thing…shocking as that is. The failure to do his duty properly is a civil matter, unfortunately, and he was fired for it, and is probably being sued…however, the ISD will have to stand in his place unless they can meet a really high hurdle to remove his qualified immunity to civil action. There is no easy answer here. Guns will not be “banned”, there isn’t enough money to do it because it would be a legal taking and would have to be compensated. That’s, at a minimum, assuming around 300 million guns to be collected (allows for 20% to remain in circulation), and a value of around $900 per on average, $270 billion on purchase along, let alone the fact most cannot be traced and will not be surrendered. Then you get into accessories, ammunition, etc…easily a trillion plus, AFTER you change the Constitution. The one “easy” step would be taxing/limiting ammunition, but that would take decades to take any real impact due to the amount in circulation and reloading. It also might fall afoul of the 2nd Amendment as a defacto ban. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JS_FFC Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 1 hour ago, peasy23 said: Stating the obvious a bit here from these highly paid investigators. Surely all shootings are due to some kind of “dispute” 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 They're lucky they remembered to take their guns, I'd forget more often the not. It takes me about half an hour to get out the house with my phone wallet and keys. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 7 hours ago, Sergeant Wilson said: They're lucky they remembered to take their guns, I'd forget more often the not. It takes me about half an hour to get out the house with my phone wallet and keys. You can remember your phone? I usually make it to the car before realizing I forgot mine. Meanwhile, falling acorn = spray your patrol unit with bullets: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/okaloosa-deputy-shooting-falling-acorn_n_65ce1b7de4b0dd11b91220e6 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velo army Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 10 hours ago, TxRover said: You can remember your phone? I usually make it to the car before realizing I forgot mine. Meanwhile, falling acorn = spray your patrol unit with bullets: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/okaloosa-deputy-shooting-falling-acorn_n_65ce1b7de4b0dd11b91220e6 The investigation essentially concluding that the officer was entitled to shoot as he was scared is disgraceful. Police there are trained to be fucking terrified of everything and to prioritise their own safety. Absolutely f**k being black in that country. "Mentally, I'm not ok" but no mention in the report of compensation for the man who was nearly killed for GTA while handcuffed because of a falling acorn and an officer with a double digit IQ. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 (edited) 27 minutes ago, velo army said: The investigation essentially concluding that the officer was entitled to shoot as he was scared is disgraceful. Police there are trained to be fucking terrified of everything and to prioritise their own safety. Absolutely f**k being black in that country. "Mentally, I'm not ok" but no mention in the report of compensation for the man who was nearly killed for GTA while handcuffed because of a falling acorn and an officer with a double digit IQ. Consider the following: 1) The officer appears to have emptied his magazine at the parked squad car. I counted 17 rounds discharged, which matches the type of weapon shown. I am surprised he didn’t reload and resume firing. 2) The story suggests his partner fired too, an unknown additional amount. 3) The “situation” occurs in a residential area with families audibly scrambling for cover during the time the police are firing, in two separate periods of deliberate, aimed fire at the parked squad car. 4) Zero of at least 18 rounds fired hit a person confined in a roughly 2m by 1.5m by 1.5m box,, fired from about 10 metres. This was described as being due to the windows of the squad car being soo dark they could not see the arrestee. 5) Why the f**k have a squad car with windows so dark you cannot visually check on an arrestee’s presence and condition from anywhere nearby? How are you supposed to see the arrestee wriggling into the drivers seat to steal the squad car (happens more often than you think)? 6) There has been no mention of where those rounds went, and a 9mm (the most likely caliber) is ballistically capable of travelling up to 3 miles. Also, shooting into a metal structure like the squad car risks unpredictable deflections, and should only be done in extreme situations. None of this conditions were present in the video. Edited February 16 by TxRover 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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101 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 I thought with the lack of traffic that the Americans might have been behaving themselves, however not to be. 5 school kids have been arrested after firing 30 rounds into a crowd of people waiting for a bus one person ended up being shot 9 times but seems has survived which is good going. Elsewhere a bar fight turned into a shootout in Indianapolis where 2 off duty cops who were working as door men at the time intervened, one was shot along with 5 others the interesting thing about this story is it seems the person who eventually died left the scene of the shooting before wandering into a hospital later but presumably had also lost too much bloody. Ridiculously unserious country. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBo10 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 https://news.sky.com/story/mass-shooting-in-indianapolis-leaves-seven-children-aged-12-to-17-with-gunshot-wounds-13105708 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/06/florida-doral-shooting-shopping-mall 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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