BawWatchin Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 24 minutes ago, sjc said: If English companies are buying our goods and selling them on outwith the UK for a profit then we're not getting true market value for these goods. Perhaps not. But exporting the goods directly could incur greater costs, which outweigh the benefit of getting the true market value. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Stubbs Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 (edited) This Unionist 180 from neverendum to shitebag Sturgeon patter is pretty transparent stuff. The political party/individuals that they (and arguably most of Britain) recently viewed only as idealistic reactionaries are widely being talked up as the most sensible and capable politicians on this island and they don't like it one bit. Meanwhile, with Britain finally beginning to collapse in on the weight of its own regional economic inequality and unsustainably varied regional/national interests, the only people even asking to run the place are a mix of clowns and obviously evil b*****ds. Even the staunchest opponents of the SNP must secretly acknowledge that Sturgeon's political star has risen in recent months and that she is increasingly being viewed as something of stateswoman. If we go with the idea that she doesn't want to campaign for Independence then Unionists have even more to worry about, given the amount of international speculation about something nobody in a position of political leadership is apparently interested in. I don't even know where I stand anymore on the timing of a second referendum. All I know for certain is that the Unionists who want Sturgeon to chuck a grenade into Brexit right now are absolutely shiting themselves. Edited April 10, 2019 by Alan Stubbs 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 1 hour ago, BawWatchin said: Perhaps not. But exporting the goods directly could incur greater costs, which outweigh the benefit of getting the true market value. Carriage is usually passed on to the buyer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubixPubes Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, The Skelpit Lug said: Tweeting pish like this, eh? Pretty focused on the day job, I'd say - "Tonight, 12 of the 27 EU member states that will decide the UK’s future have populations smaller than or similar in size to Scotland’s. If we become independent we get to sit at that table - enjoying the same solidarity shown to Ireland - instead of being sidelined by Westminster" Yes. It’s pish Put words into action give us the chance to vote for our birthright in a referendum which she has a mandate to use but seems too chicken hearted to act upon Edited April 11, 2019 by RubixPubes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Heliums Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 12 hours ago, BawWatchin said: Considering Labour are less popular than the Conservatives in Scotland, why would the SNP not call for an independence referendum in the event of a Labour Government? An unarguable point for independence is that we get stuck with Tory governments when we never vote them in. That would no longer apply. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Yes. It’s pish Put words into action give us the chance to vote for our birthright in a referendum which she has a mandate to use but seems too chicken hearted to act upon Obvious troll is obvious. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted April 11, 2019 Author Share Posted April 11, 2019 4 hours ago, RubixPubes said: Yes. It’s pish Put words into action give us the chance to vote for our birthright in a referendum which she has a mandate to use but seems too chicken hearted to act upon Why do you think that is? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 This Unionist 180 from neverendum to shitebag Sturgeon patter is pretty transparent stuff. The political party/individuals that they (and arguably most of Britain) recently viewed only as idealistic reactionaries are widely being talked up as the most sensible and capable politicians on this island and they don't like it one bit. Meanwhile, with Britain finally beginning to collapse in on the weight of its own regional economic inequality and unsustainably varied regional/national interests, the only people even asking to run the place are a mix of clowns and obviously evil b*****ds. Even the staunchest opponents of the SNP must secretly acknowledge that Sturgeon's political star has risen in recent months and that she is increasingly being viewed as something of stateswoman. If we go with the idea that she doesn't want to campaign for Independence then Unionists have even more to worry about, given the amount of international speculation about something nobody in a position of political leadership is apparently interested in. I don't even know where I stand anymore on the timing of a second referendum. All I know for certain is that the Unionists who want Sturgeon to chuck a grenade into Brexit right now are absolutely shiting themselves.Yeah this is a good assessment for me. I reasily admit in my younger days I never liked Sturgeon, but she has grown into her role as leader admirably and is a shining example of how politics should and can be, free from the rhetoric and posturing we see from May and Corbyn and so many others. I also agree with you that the growing unease she instills in the yoons is class to watch. She is a different animal and come the time for campaigning to start she will absolutely school those who stand agaisnt her. Whether its enough for a Yes vote or not I dont know, but it will be fantastic to watch her absolutely skelp the "big guns" of Westminster whilst they fall over themselves trying to convince us that Indy is a foolish move whilst staying true to their Brexit aims. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 12 hours ago, NotThePars said: Not even that. If the idea of Scottish independence is normalised to the hegemonic forces in British society, then they won't necessarily oppose it the way they did last time. Capital will always be loyal to the larger market. If the UK government opposses independence then business will follow their line. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Detournement said: Capital will always be loyal to the larger market. If the UK government opposses independence then business will follow their line. Surely an indy Scotland in the EU would be the larger market than an rUK running around like headless chickens trying to get trade deals one at a time? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 If the UK government are sure of getting a good deal with the EU, then there should be no worries about an independent Scotland trading with the rUK. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 14 minutes ago, The Skelpit Lug said: Surely an indy Scotland in the EU would be the larger market than an rUK running around like headless chickens trying to get trade deals one at a time? No. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 12 minutes ago, MONKMAN said: If the UK government are sure of getting a good deal with the EU, then there should be no worries about an independent Scotland trading with the rUK. No - the UK and its Little Englander supporters want to argue that an independent Scotland choosing the EU would be cutting off trade with its largest trading partner, whilst simultaneously arguing that the UK outside of the EU will continue trading freely with all EU nations. The failed PM occasionally makes both of these contradictory arguments in the same PMQs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 48 minutes ago, Detournement said: No. Wrong. Unsurprisingly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Detournement said: Capital will always be loyal to the larger market. If the UK government opposses independence then business will follow their line. An independent Scotland that's pro-business and in the EU will get favoured over a Corbyn UK government even if McDonnell's economic plans seem eminently reasonable. I don't think that's a controversial take. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 5 hours ago, Mr Heliums said: An unarguable point for independence is that we get stuck with Tory governments when we never vote them in. That would no longer apply. But we'd also be stuck with a Labour Government that we didn't vote in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Detournement said: Capital will always be loyal to the larger market. If the UK government opposses independence then business will follow their line. I agree. So they will surely favour full market access with the EU over the UK. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 According to ScotGov figures, trade between Scotland and: rUK 77% EU 15% RoW 8% Hence my post the other day questioning Scotland's logistical capacity to deal with exports. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 1 minute ago, sjc said: According to ScotGov figures, trade between Scotland and: rUK 77% EU 15% RoW 8% Hence my post the other day questioning Scotland's logistical capacity to deal with exports. Yes, we're all well aware of this issue. I brought this up with a few yoon MPs a while back who were giving the "4x larger market" shite. When I asked them what those figures would look like if all Scottish exports left Scottish ports instead of English ports, they couldn't give any proper response. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Detournement said: No. Do you know of any economic experts with material online you can share with us to back this up? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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