When will indyref2 happen?

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

43 minutes ago, Donathan said:

So why shouldn’t (insert small area of Scotland) secede and become independent then? Does the whole argument boil down to “Scotland is a nation”? 

Yes, the issue of should the country of Scotland secede and become independent does come down to the fact that Scotland is a country. Thanks for coming to my ted talk. 

[Antlion]

11 minutes ago, Donathan said:

The counter argument to this will be that Scotland is a nation and (for example) Lancashire isn’t.

 

The entire argument can be reduced down to this simple idea (and that’s not an argument for or against independence from my side)

It’s also central to the idea of “union” as it’s existed on these islands for centuries. The UK was created and has already been partly deconstructed out of nations joining and leaving - not counties or cities. The various unions have involved Scotland and Ireland and England and Great Britain - not Lancashire or Fife. If UKNats want to call themselves unionists, their argument rests on historical unions of nations, just as independence supporters’ arguments rest on Scotland leaving a union of nations (hopefully in anticipation of a more modern, equitable one - which, yes, does allow for the possibility of single members preventing the majority getting their way by virtue of vetos).

[Anonapersona]

1 hour ago, Donathan said:

So why shouldn’t (insert small area of Scotland) secede and become independent then? Does the whole argument boil down to “Scotland is a nation”? 

Until (small area of Scotland) wants to secede, why bother bringing up non-existing issues?

[BFTD]

Could see the Republic of the Kingdom of Fife building a wall to prevent race-mixing with outsiders from Broughty Ferry.

[SandyCromarty]

I've asked this question of unionists so many times and never got an answer, so I'll try again.

We Scots keep being told by the westminster government, ministers and many of the general english public how much more Scotland cost via the Barnet Formula per head of population as against the english public.

So Unionists, if we cost so much and are a drain on the westminster purse why not let Scotland go???????

What is the reason you would deny us Independence given that you would have more money for england?????

[BFTD]

Still amazed that someone like Just for Men haven't come out with a haircare product called The Barnet Formula.

[Dunfermline Don]

1 hour ago, BFTD said:

Could see the Republic of the Kingdom of Fife building a wall to prevent race-mixing with outsiders from Broughty Ferry.

Fife already has a fully functioning Army, so it’s independence will be vigorously defended!

 

[TONTROOPER]

3 hours ago, BFTD said:

Still amazed that someone like Just for Men haven't come out with a haircare product called The Barnet Formula.

....... " You meshin with my barnet ?"

[lichtgilphead]

6 minutes ago, BudBudBud said:

Because the UK is a country, and if you have an emotional attachment to it then you don’t want part of it splitting off.

it’s not being denied anyway, because Scots don’t want it.

What a great first post on a football forum.

[TONTROOPER]

1 hour ago, BudBudBud said:

Because the UK is a country, and if you have an emotional attachment to it then you don’t want part of it splitting off.

it’s not being denied anyway, because Scots don’t want it.

Och....since its your first post... have a sweetie son.

Now off to bed .

[Antlion]

1 hour ago, BudBudBud said:

Because the UK is a country, and if you have an emotional attachment to it then you don’t want part of it splitting off.

it’s not being denied anyway, because Scots don’t want it.

Another part of it, surely? It started breaking up a hundred years ago. Like Jack Dawson, you have an emotional attachment to a one-legged prostitute.

[oldbitterandgrumpy]

9 hours ago, BudBudBud said:

Because the UK is a country, and if you have an emotional attachment to it then you don’t want part of it splitting off.

it’s not being denied anyway, because Scots don’t want it.

@SandyCromarty I've asked that question so many times myself. Wow, the answer was so blindingly obvious. 

[williemillersmoustache]

There is a large portion of unionist sentiment that delight in and dream of pushing the Yes movement towards violence so it can be more easily dismissed and discredited as an extremist terrorist organisation, ESSENNPEE-IRA etc etc. 

*admiral ackbar gif*

[GiGi]

9 minutes ago, BudBudBud said:

Thanks mate, I thought so too.

The notion that all countries think about is money-in and money-out is a ridiculous one.

Most people, whether they like to admit it or not, have a sense of Nationhood that resonates more deeply than whether areas of the country make the rest of us a profit or not.

I wonder if in an independent Scotland, Sandy would advocate for getting rid of Dundee, going by the same logic?

This account won't last until Christmas, far too obvious.

Next. 

[Granny Danger]

That’s the ignore list updated.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

That’s the ignore list updated.

Ditto.

[SandyCromarty]

11 hours ago, BudBudBud said:

Because the UK is a country, and if you have an emotional attachment to it then you don’t want part of it splitting off.

it’s not being denied anyway, because Scots don’t want it.

It is not, and never was, a singular country, it consists of two countries which signed the Union of the Crowns in 1603 with James the 6th of Scotland becoming James 1st of England as follows;

The Crown of England and the Crown of Scotland remaining both distinct and separate despite James's best efforts to create a new imperial throne. England and Scotland continued as two separate states sharing a monarch.

 There then followed in 1707 The Act of Union which was in effect the union of the Scottish and english parliaments, but Scotland and England remained two separate sovereign countries, this is defined by two great areas of State which is Law and Church.

Scotland retained it's own Church and it's Legislature which still stand to this day and is far removed from the Churchof England and precedent based English Law.

For clarification Wales is a Principality governed by English law and Northern Ireland is a Province, neither are mentioned in The Act of Union, they were presumably, by England at that time, part of England

Now as to your statement that the UK is one country then explain how a country within that country wants Independence, as to your argument Scotland does not exist.

Independence is inevitable whether next year, ten or twenty years in the future it will happen, we cannot carry on with a corrupt westminster government which among many other injustices  dragged us out of the EU.

But to finish, answer my question as to if Scotland costs so much to england financially why won't they let us go. Do you know why? and it is nothing to do with your one country nonsense.

 

[TheScarf]

Fuck me, first the EU queue pish, today it's 'The UK is country'.

What's the fallacy for tomorrow?  We've had penshuns and currency.  I'll take defence/NATO if that's ok with everyone?

[Clown Job]

9 minutes ago, TheScarf said:

f**k me, first the EU queue pish, today it's 'The UK is country'.

What's the fallacy for tomorrow?  We've had penshuns and currency.  I'll take defence/NATO if that's ok with everyone?

Has annex Faslane came up yet? I’m old enough to remember that being discussed in 2014

[TheScarf]

6 minutes ago, Clown Job said:

Has annex Faslane came up yet? I’m old enough to remember that being discussed in 2014

I think it was mentioned briefly yesterday but there wasn't much discussion on it.