Bishop Briggs Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, Disco Dave said: What about a third option? Complete independence, from the UK and EU? That's always been my preference but the SNP fanboys on smear all Brexit supporters as Unionist racists and xenophobes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, Disco Dave said: What about a third option? Complete independence, from the UK and EU? No. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudder Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 (edited) I wonder how the UK government will work out fishing grounds and freedom of movement in Brexit, when it wouldn't be worth a f**k if Scotland becomes Independent. Edited March 13, 2017 by Mudder 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudder Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 9 minutes ago, Disco Dave said: What about a third option? Complete independence, from the UK and EU? What about a fourth option, we become part of England? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamaldo Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 As one of the more staunch Yes voters last time around I have to say that, while I will vote Yes again, I don't plan to be as emotionally invested in this campaign this time around. I got far too angry watching the news and the like and I just can't be fucked with it again so soon. I think she's called it too early as well, although time will tell. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Anus Sarwar and Adam Torykins absolutely beelin' on Scotland Tonight. Fighting over who can look like the most obedient north British poodles. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Antlion said: Anus Sarwar and Adam Torykins absolutely beelin' on Scotland Tonight. Fighting over who can look like the most obedient north British poodles. As wee Patrick Harvey just sat back and watched them out staunch each other. Edited March 13, 2017 by dirty dingus 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 That's always been my preference but the SNP fanboys on smear all Brexit supporters as Unionist racists and xenophobes. IF we were independent and that's what the people staying here wanted to do (Independent of EU and UK) then that's what would happen. Need to get our own fate back into our own hands first then we can make the changes the country wants. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 What about a fourth option, we become part of England? 5th option we splinter into separate mini statesThe kingdom of Fife, the serene republic of Edinburgh, Wegiestan... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 the SNP fanboys That'll help. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 (edited) Yes 2 does need to have a wider base than the snp and greens. We need to reach out to anti EU pro independence supporters. Edited March 13, 2017 by git-intae-thum 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Fucking love a referendum. I'm always on the losing side of these things, so I think I'll vote no this time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grazza Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Staying in single market should be the big selling point this time around. There is no where is western, central and much of eastern Europe that does not at least have this sort of deal. From that starting point it really would be down to the Scottish people on what governments they elect and we may find we are comfortable with a Norway style arrangement and take time to speak with European neighbours. Debates should be much more panel based. The likes of Henry McLeish would be a great coup if he was to commit to a yes campaign. The idea of more representative democracy so getting rid of house of lords etc and commitment to retain PR system so governments need to win support and work with others etc. I do wonder say getting closer to the referendum if Sturgeon almost takes herself out of the long term bigger picture and offers to step down once independence is reached and not stand for first election as leader. At that point it would be some point in 2020. She was opposition leader in Holyrood before Salmond got in and well 6 years is a good time for a leader and she could concentrate on getting best deal in talks. I hear folk against independence seem to personalise it previously with Salmond e.g. he is fat and his wife is older than him and now with Sturgeon in other ways and yes I'm sure it happens on both sides. Scottish labour will need to really differentiate themselves especially if Jez is still about and they themselves will need to decide whether to stick or twist with Kez after council elections and thinking about giving next person time before possible referendum. Possibly a few councillors who lose their job this spring may feel a bit disenfranchised and speak out against the party. Kez and willie Rennie talk about federalism but have they actually travelled across UK to try and see if there is any consensus for it even within their own party. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, grazza said: Staying in single market should be the big selling point this time around. There is no where is western, central and much of eastern Europe that does not at least have this sort of deal. From that starting point it really would be down to the Scottish people on what governments they elect and we may find we are comfortable with a Norway style arrangement and take time to speak with European neighbours. Debates should be much more panel based. The likes of Henry McLeish would be a great coup if he was to commit to a yes campaign. The idea of more representative democracy so getting rid of house of lords etc and commitment to retain PR system so governments need to win support and work with others etc. I do wonder say getting closer to the referendum if Sturgeon almost takes herself out of the long term bigger picture and offers to step down once independence is reached and not stand for first election as leader. At that point it would be some point in 2020. She was opposition leader in Holyrood before Salmond got in and well 6 years is a good time for a leader and she could concentrate on getting best deal in talks. I hear folk against independence seem to personalise it previously with Salmond e.g. he is fat and his wife is older than him and now with Sturgeon in other ways and yes I'm sure it happens on both sides. Scottish labour will need to really differentiate themselves especially if Jez is still about and they themselves will need to decide whether to stick or twist with Kez after council elections and thinking about giving next person time before possible referendum. Possibly a few councillors who lose their job this spring may feel a bit disenfranchised and speak out against the party. Kez and willie Rennie talk about federalism but have they actually travelled across UK to try and see if there is any consensus for it even within their own party. Absolutely. If yes is to succeed we need to de-SNP it as much as possible. The gang from indy 1 has to be brought together plus a more concerted centre/ centre right appeal. This needs to be a rainbow. Edited March 14, 2017 by git-intae-thum 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fifer Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 ITV political editor reporting that he expects May to allow indyref2 but only after the Brexit negotiations are finished. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Nederlander Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Sake - I somehow ended up in the ITV News FB Page and there's about 4000 comments on there that would make your eyes bleed. I'd been going to vote Yes but Neil from Stoke has pointed out that we'd need to start paying for stuff ourselves 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradHorse Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 This is a great day. Something beautiful that was killed and buried by a lying, manipulative media has been risen from the ashes in a way I never saw coming. f**k moaning about timing and that, we've all just been given a second chance. The one thing that does bother me, that others have touched on, is the whole 'referendum fatigue' thing where I worry there'll just be a sense of lethargy and disinterest from what was previously a vehemently passionate campaign. I can't think of a single reason why a previous 'Yes' voter would now be a 'No' though; the other side of that coin, however... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kejan Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 It's hardly a massive coupe and many might be saying 'who?' , but certainly someone like this is an asset for the next Yes campaign - coming from Labour/previous No background. https://twitter.com/SimonPia1 Also big,bad, wildman Eric "too many fucking Tories" Joyce is for Indy too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Breaking news - Voyager 1, the first man made object to leave the Solar System, has just recorded Effie Deans heed overtaking it at warp factor 8. Swiftly followed by 'Reynard the Fox', closely followed by Reynard's BB gun. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakedee Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 No. I'm saying that it's not as simple as many here think. so,no queue then ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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