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13 minutes ago, McSpreader said:

I don't know a single person who wants a second indyref and , in fact, everyone who broaches the subject does so with a weary resignation that the SNP will drag us into a second ref whatever the public mood and to spite the pubic mood. 

You and they should have fought a bit harder on a "sovereignty and statehood is bad and we should not be offered it again" platform in 2016 then. That might have been a bit difficult, mind, given at the same time you were arguing that statehood and sovereignty are good (just not for Scotland).

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I think a lot needs to be made of the Greens ultimately being the ones to permit the Section 30 request - emphasise as much as possible that while the SNP (obviously) support independence, they aren't independence, and it's not just their campaign. 

And I'm sure that's something the Greens would be happy to encourage. Patrick Harvey looked utterly devastated the morning after the first referendum.

I think also the Yes campaign needs to be more vocal at condemning and distancing itself from the lunatic fringe - people like Wings and the IndyCampers. 

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20 minutes ago, McSpreader said:

Sturgeon is a very unifying character is she not,lol! 

 

I don't know a single person who wants a second indyref and , in fact, everyone who broaches the subject does so with a weary resignation that the SNP will drag us into a second ref whatever the public mood and to spite the pubic mood. 

You can't get out much then.

Many of us have EU family and friends - half of who were duped last time into voting no to protect their EU status here. They are very interested.

As am I as a Scot. Like someone else said earlier, who wouldn't want the power to shape their own nation?

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6 minutes ago, The Master said:

I think a lot needs to be made of the Greens ultimately being the ones to permit the Section 30 request - emphasise as much as possible that while the SNP (obviously) support independence, they aren't independence, and it's not just their campaign. 

And I'm sure that's something the Greens would be happy to encourage. Patrick Harvey looked utterly devastated the morning after the first referendum.

I think also the Yes campaign needs to be more vocal at condemning and distancing itself from the lunatic fringe - people like Wings and the IndyCampers. 

Totally agree,i'm a member of the Scottish Greens and an avid independence supporter,this time more should be made of the Greens and Socialists involvement. Our membership is now near 10,000 and rising,we are a vital gog in the indy movement,one that is progressive and outward looking and in Pat Harvie a leader to match anyone on this island.

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Cracker of a rant from some Little Englander this morning, on LinkedIn of all places.

Apparently we'll be denied entry to the EU but we will also be forced to use the Euro. Get your head round that one.

I genuinely believe the pro-Union camp will be headless chickens this time, even more so than last time. The scaremongering will be off the charts as it's all they are left with. 

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6 minutes ago, Karl Fletcher said:

Cracker of a rant from some Little Englander this morning, on LinkedIn of all places.

Apparently we'll be denied entry to the EU but we will also be forced to use the Euro. Get your head round that one.

I genuinely believe the pro-Union camp will be headless chickens this time, even more so than last time. The scaremongering will be off the charts as it's all they are left with. 

The Russians are coming mate comrade

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Get some "lets make Scotland great again" baseball caps and write on the side of a bus "we send 8 trillion to london every week lets put it into the black pudding industry instead"then deny all knowledge of the bus after we get indy is my plan

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3 hours ago, williemillersmoustache said:

Less than 24 hours since the FM declared her intention to uphold a manifesto commitment in one of the best, most measured, logical and statesman like speeches in years and the media, unionist politicians and the lunatic yoon fringe have already completely lost the plot.

While Ireland gives us the tough love:

" “And now, a whole new generation of Scots will be able to shit themselves as well. Think about it; two years ago, thousands of young people didn’t get the chance to bow down to the throne and beg for mercy… now, they’ll be able to do just that"

Interesting point out of this:  Given that the young 'uns tend to be more in the Yes camp, what (rough) percentage of the population that couldn't vote last time will be able to vote this time around? An important swing or just white noise?

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2 hours ago, McSpreader said:

Sturgeon is a very unifying character is she not,lol! 

 

I don't know a single person who wants a second indyref and , in fact, everyone who broaches the subject does so with a weary resignation that the SNP will drag us into a second ref whatever the public mood and to spite the pubic mood. 

The SNP were elected to do so (based on 'public mood' as you put it), based on their rather relevant manifesto.  You do believe in democracy, right?

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6 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said:

It's probably the least coherent idea leaked so far and that is saying something. 

 

Yup. If your the SNP you just make the 2021 election the referendum, where you have no pro-Indy competition in the constituencies, and let the Unionists parties work out where they stand aside for each other without cutting each other's throats. Win the majority, declare independence.

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2 minutes ago, renton said:

Yup. If your the SNP you just make the 2021 election the referendum, where you have no pro-Indy competition in the constituencies, and let the Unionists parties work out where they stand aside for each other without cutting each other's throats. Win the majority, declare independence.

Utter scenes if that happened

Can't see it thought, would be utter lunacy on the UK's part 

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