welshbairn Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 4 hours ago, Detournement said: This is off topic but they wouldn't need nuclear war heads to destroy each others capitals just loads of medium range missiles. That's why ground based medium and short ranged cruise and ballistic missiles are banned by treaty. Before WW2 the word was that another European war wouldn't happen because of the potential horrors of aerial bombing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevthedee Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Alright lads what's the crack,not been on for a while just thought I would check how the countdown to Indy 2 is going.Anything happening or are we still on the never ending tick tock clock. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 It's understandable you'd head out of the Dundee threads just now tbf. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdog Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 SKY poll says 88% of Brexitiers think an Independent Scotland is a price worth paying for Brexit...come in Unionists! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) On 07/10/2018 at 14:53, Detournement said: This is off topic but they wouldn't need nuclear war heads to destroy each others capitals just loads of medium range missiles. That's why ground based medium and short ranged cruise and ballistic missiles are banned by treaty. Well not quite. They would need to be nuclear tipped - a Tomahawk cruise missile in conventional mode carries a 1,000 lb warhead. In order to obliterate Hamburg in 1943, the RAF dropped 2326 long tons on the place, or equivalent to 5,000,000 lbs of TNT and incendiaries - so you'd need 5,000 Tomahawks for one city (and even then you'd struggle to replicate the multiplying effects that created the firestorms and concussive pressure waves of that operation). using a low yield nuclear tipped Tomahawk - you'd be able to do the job with 3-6. Not allowing for air defences. The reason the Intermediate range missiles were banned by treaty was that their combination of mobility and their close proximity to probable targets (while still being protected by friendly defences) meant that warning time for launch was reduced to virtually zero, with little chance of locating and destroying them prior to launch. That raises the ugly spectre of one or both sides attempting a decapitating strike as a prelude to a fuller assault, that would wipe out the national chain of command before they could offer a retaliation. That of course completely removes the concept of Mutually Assured Destruction, and exponentially increases the risk of one side or the other attempting a preemptive attack. It basically puts a hair trigger on the starting pistol to nuclear war. The background to their introduction was a cynical Russian move. By introducing the SS-20 Saber missile, they thought they could sink NATO with a weapon that could only reach European cities and not US ones, by not directly threatening the US they thought they could decouple the North Atlantic Alliance and leave the Europeans fending for themselves and uncertain that the US would put itself on the line if not actually physically threatened. The US response was not something the Soviets expected - the US deployed it's own IRBMs - the Pershing - to central Europe, creating the decapitation threat I mentioned above. That dragged the Soviets to a negotiating table and several years after protracted development and Billions of currency wasted, the missiles were all withdrawn or broken up. But yeah, off topic. Edited October 9, 2018 by renton 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 2 hours ago, Jdog said: SKY poll says 88% of Brexitiers think an Independent Scotland is a price worth paying for Brexit...come in Unionists! They should become even more servile and wave their Union Jacks even harder. That’ll win the love and respect of the English Brexiteers, surely!? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 2 hours ago, Jdog said: SKY poll says 88% of Brexitiers think an Independent Scotland is a price worth paying for Brexit...come in Unionists! Next Independence Referendum should be U.K. wide. You know it makes sense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Mike Russell making it clear that the SNP have no interest in calling a referendum this Parliament. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Antlion said: They should become even more servile and wave their Union Jacks even harder. That’ll win the love and respect of the English Brexiteers, surely!? I can only presume the sky poll was conducted using careful sampling? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 34 minutes ago, Detournement said: Mike Russell making it clear that the SNP have no interest in calling a referendum this Parliament. They have to, why risk losing a majority for independence in the SP? It definitely wont be any time soon though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 The risk is worth it if they aren't certain of a win. If they lost another so soon after the last one, that'd be the matter totally finished for a considerable time. They need to decide if if's worth it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Sturgeon wont call a referendum unless it is clearly winnable in any case. And we are a considerable distance away from that in the polls. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 26 minutes ago, sparky88 said: They have to, why risk losing a majority for independence in the SP? It definitely wont be any time soon though. I'd class anything that happens in this Parliament as soon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 29 minutes ago, sparky88 said: Sturgeon wont call a referendum unless it is clearly winnable in any case. And we are a considerable distance away from that in the polls. Really....the latest polls show that we are a "considerable distance away" do they? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 sparky is just getting back to their shite trolling. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, git-intae-thum said: Really....the latest polls show that we are a "considerable distance away" do they? A consistent lead in the poll of maybe 60%. The odd poll showing Yes is a couple of percentage points behind isnt good enough. Otherwise, she has the referendum, yes lose and Scottish independence is off the table indefinitely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 11 minutes ago, Principal Flutie said: sparky is just getting back to their shite trolling. Translation anyone? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Nobody knew the Bolsheviks would successfully take power until Lenin had the baws to do it. Come on, comrade Sturge. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastermind Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Sturgeon wont call a referendum unless it is clearly winnable in any case. And we are a considerable distance away from that in the polls.But I thought the SNP had twenty million new members and Tommy Sheridan screened Braveheart? This is a long journey. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Don't think it's possible for a party based in a country of around 6 million people to have 20 million+ members. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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