When will indyref2 happen?

[Bairnardo]

7 minutes ago, Malky3 said:

THe company I work for has a regional office in Glasgow but all the contracts and profits go through Head Office in England. I hate repeating myself but how would those advocating Independence change that in the future? I'm not interested in suppositions. 

What a ridiculous question. I dont give a f**k what you are interested in BTW

[Malky3]

28 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

What a ridiculous question. I dont give a f**k what you are interested in BTW

Oh right! Sorry. I didn't realise that asking how an Independent Scotland would ensure that all this money that flows to London before being accounted for would be correctly accounted for and taxed in an Independent Scotland would be such a stupid question. 

 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Cause the culture gap between London and Scotland is fucking huge isn't it? 

Do you even read the pish you post? 

I doubt a company would move it's  HQ to Scotland in the event of Scottish Independence. The likes of Shell, Amoco, BP and Conoco have far wider interests than a few rigs off the coast of Scotland. And one HQ we do know would have to move out of Scotland - according to their outgoing CEO - is RBS who says the bank would be too big for the Scottish economy. 

You don't fucking read either.

 

There will be a different tax system between the two countries.

 

A different legal system.

 

Of course it makes sense to have some sort of presence here in Scotland - or do you really think they can deal with a separate legal and taxation system whilst not being in that country?

 

I am not talking about them moving out of London as you imply - but then you know that you twisted liar.

 

 

 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

That Andrew Wilson quote about not wasting your time on die hard yoons is deafeningly relevant

I understand to one extent but I am a great believer in challenging those who try to use a public platform to peddle their shite.

 

Its not about trying to change their minds but stop them polluting the minds of others who might be swayed by their lies and bullshit.

 

[Malky3]

2 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

You don't fucking read either.

There will be a different tax system between the two countries.

A different legal system.

Of course it makes sense to have some sort of presence here in Scotland - or do you really think they can deal with a separate legal and taxation system whilst not being in that country?

I am not talking about them moving out of London as you imply - but then you know that you twisted lying fucker.

Of course a company can deal with a separate legal and tax system without having a presence in that country. What kind of world do you think we live in? 

[Malky3]

2 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

I understand to one extent but I am a great believer in challenging those who try to use a public platform to peddle their shite.

Its not about trying to change their minds but stop them polluting the minds of others who might be swayed by their lies and bullshit.

Weird. I thought I was just asking questions. What I'm finding yet again is how aggressive Nationalists get when they don't have the answers to even the most basic questions. 

[jakedee]

My wife works for a global Company.Founded and operated from Dundee, do you think they would go to the expense of having offices in North and Central America, Europe and Asia if they weren't needed?
To answer your question, the real one.

Of course a company can deal with a separate legal and tax system without having a presence in that country. What kind of world do you think we live in? 

[The_Kincardine]

43 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

Of course it makes sense to have some sort of presence here in Scotland - or do you really think they can deal with a separate legal and taxation system whilst not being in that country?

That's how a lot of international trade works.  Many companies, "deal with a separate legal and taxation system whilst not being in that country".  The only surprising bit is that you're surprised.

Quick edit to list some of the countries I have dealt with in the past decade who had, "a separate legal and taxation system whilst not being in that country":

Ghana
Nigeria
South Africa
The USA
Canada

etc etc

Edited August 22, 2019 by The_Kincardine

[welshbairn]

On 09/08/2019 at 16:51, Malky3 said:

I've said before that I am quite long in the tooth, and sadly I've seen all this nonsense before. Back in the 60's and 70's when I was growing up the SNP were seen by many in the West Of Scotland as being a party for Catholics. It's kind of sad to see that after nearly 60 years Scottish politics hasn't really changed. In the last few posts some Nationalist dinosaurs have decided to lump all who fail to follow the Nationalist Cult as Freemasons, Orange Order, protestant, Rangers Supporting Royalists. 

I had hoped that in the modern Scotland we were making some progress towards eradicating sectarianism when in 2012 we saw the Offensive Behaviour at Football Act passed into law unopposed but by 2018 the SNP had repealed the Act, and on these pages we can see why. It's sad really but it seems the Nationalist Cult needs to sow division on any grounds whatsoever to gain traction for their cause. 

Worth being reminded of the stellar mind we're dealing with here.

Edited August 22, 2019 by welshbairn

[D Angelo Barksdale]

Malky putting in a power of work here for the failing union. Auld Lizzie has handed out knighthoods for much less than this.

Arise, Sir Malcolm Dunning-Kruger, I pronounce thee Lord of the Bad Faith Argument and Head of Her Majesty's colonial service on pie and bovril.

[Benjamin_Nevis]

18 minutes ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said:

Malky putting in a power of work here for the failing union. Auld Lizzie has handed out knighthoods for much less than this.

Arise, Sir Malcolm Dunning-Kruger, I pronounce thee Lord of the Bad Faith Argument and Head of Her Majesty's colonial service on pie and bovril.

It's quite tremendous. His only ally is that other weirdo Oaksoft. What a complete waste of effort 

[dirty dingus]

1 hour ago, Malky3 said:

Weird. I thought I was just asking questions. What I'm finding yet again is how aggressive Nationalists get when they don't have the answers to even the most basic questions. 

f**k up wi yer questions, show us how getting worked to death is better than taking control of black gold?

I think your SNAFU

 

[Malky3]

15 minutes ago, dirty dingus said:

f**k up wi yer questions, show us how getting worked to death is better than taking control of black gold?

I think your SNAFU

Really? A Morton fan working!?! Am I supposed to take that seriously 

[The_Kincardine]

3 hours ago, Bairnardo said:

Most of those companies have offices in London. BP and Total (the UKCS largest producers) do. What would a company want with an office in a London which was out of the EU and politically isolated from the North East of Scotland which represents probably 90% of their business interests in Europe?

These conpanies also have offices in Aberdeen incidentally. Is it beyond the reals of normal thinking that they would move the jobs from to Aberdeen or even Edinburgh in that case? One thinks not.

There are more and better paid oil jobs in London than in Scotland and for Total and BP (say) to move the better jobs to London would be prosaically simple.  Both also have, of course, offices in London and also European operations which are both within Europe whilst outwith The EU.

For the companies you mention to move people away from Aberdeen wouldn't be difficult.  Maybe tricker/take longer for BP but not a problem at all for Total.

What global oil companies are excellent at doing is exploiting, "a separate legal and taxation system whilst not being in that country" and Total could close down Westhill within a year and barely notice it.

[Malky3]

2 hours ago, welshbairn said:

Worth being reminded of the stellar mind we're dealing with here.

Indeed. See all those nationalists who were banging on and on about the GERs Report being some sort of Unionist conspiracy..... well maybe they should try a bit of this

https://fraserofallander.org/scottish-economy/gers/gers-day-2-after-the-hullaballoo/

It's actually a very good article from the Fraser of Allander Institute 

A particular highlight was this

Quote

As an aside, there is a serious – if albeit boring – point to be made here. Each year, the level of misinformation and bad analysis around the GERS publication is pretty shocking.

This year it was these claims about Scotland’s apparent share of the UK deficit.

The last couple of years it has been that the figures somehow can’t be trusted as they rely, in part, on estimates (although with increasing fiscal devolution substantially less so).

Before then, it was the claim that the publication is a Westminster-exercise (despite the statistics being produced by Scottish Government civil servants – who also provide technical support for Ministers in their policy agenda, including in relation to independence).

We can’t think of any other government statistical publication – and a National Statistics publication at that – that is subject to such criticism and attack.

The Code of Practice for Statistics is clear that organisations producing official statistics should be defending their integrity, actively preventing their misuse and promoting correct interpretation.

Hopefully the daft Cultists who soiled their pants over the accuracy of the GERs Report have the good grace to apologise for slurring these Scottish Civil Servants

Edited August 22, 2019 by Malky3

[Bairnardo]

34 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

There are more and better paid oil jobs in London than in Scotland and for Total and BP (say) to move the better jobs to London would be prosaically simple.  Both also have, of course, offices in London and also European operations which are both within Europe whilst outwith The EU.

For the companies you mention to move people away from Aberdeen wouldn't be difficult.  Maybe tricker/take longer for BP but not a problem at all for Total.

What global oil companies are excellent at doing is exploiting, "a separate legal and taxation system whilst not being in that country" and Total could close down Westhill within a year and barely notice it.

No they couldn't. Their assets would grind to a halt without the Aberdeen offices. 

[The_Kincardine]

25 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

No they couldn't. Their assets would grind to a halt without the Aberdeen offices. 

Eh?  Total's Aberdeen site is already under scrutiny since they acquired Maersk and moving the better jobs to Copenhagen or Stavanger is already a possibility.

[Bairnardo]

1 minute ago, The_Kincardine said:

Eh?  Total's Aberdeen site is already under scrutiny since they acquired Maersk and moving the better jobs to Copenhagen or Stavanger is already a possibility.

Source?

[The_Kincardine]

2 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

Source?

Me.

[Bairnardo]

1 minute ago, The_Kincardine said:

Me.

The idea that these companies have thousands of high paying jobs in a city in the North East of Scotland that lacks in... Well pretty much everything really, out of anything except pure neccessity is laughable. Various oil companies have tried lowering their Aberdeen footprint over the years too, it simply doesn't work. The idea of a BP or Total or Shell runnning the logistics etc required to support their offshore assets from anywhere other than Aberdeen is mental tbh. Anyone who tires it will lose, heavily. Hence why none of them have tried it and none of them will.