The Terrible Journalism & Tom English Thread

[kingjoey]

Jim Goodwin is reported to be “flabbergasted” in the papers today, that St Mirren were forced to play with their three keepers unavailable, and, of course, the standard “Scottish football will become a laughing stock”. Has it not always been the case that, so long as a team has enough players to play, regardless of which position the unavailable players represent, the game has to be played? Hence Ryan Stevenson playing in goal for Raith Rovers a few years back.

[Falkirk09Bairn]

10 hours ago, Ric said:

I think you'll find I don't. VT was the one who replied to a question I posed to someone else.

 

From that point on you played along. No self control. 

[invergowrie arab]

6 minutes ago, kingjoey said:

Jim Goodwin is reported to be “flabbergasted” in the papers today, that St Mirren were forced to play with their three keepers unavailable, and, of course, the standard “Scottish football will become a laughing stock”. Has it not always been the case that, so long as a team has enough players to play, regardless of which position the unavailable players represent, the game has to be played? Hence Ryan Stevenson playing in goal for Raith Rovers a few years back.

Outfield players playing in goal is what the fans want to see.

If you told me there was a Norwegian second division game on today with outfield players in goal I would cancel all plans to watch it.

[Ric]

Just now, Falkirk09Bairn said:

No self control. 

Interesting claim, considering you were so annoyed at someone for posting a verifiable quote that you needed to signal your utter disgust in the only manner available to you. I presume you are the relation of another well kent Falkirk supporter on here as that is very much their MO too.

However to address your comment directly I think it's only polite to reply to someone, and there was no "game" being played. Perhaps you are just reading what you want into the situation.

[Ric]

9 minutes ago, kingjoey said:

Jim Goodwin is reported to be “flabbergasted” in the papers today, that St Mirren were forced to play with their three keepers unavailable, and, of course, the standard “Scottish football will become a laughing stock”. Has it not always been the case that, so long as a team has enough players to play, regardless of which position the unavailable players represent, the game has to be played? Hence Ryan Stevenson playing in goal for Raith Rovers a few years back.

That's a little bit disingenuous the way you represent that. Raith were able, should finances decree, to bring in a keeper should they wish. They chose not to, or were unwilling to, the situation here is that Goodwin was hamstrung by virus restrictions and testing so that avenue was not available to us or was at the very least extremely hampered. He has a list of keepers we could have brought in. Virus guidelines also stopped us playing a keeper that had provided a negative test. It's the very specific circumstances of this case that Goodwin is highlighting, not that just "in the round" the rules have been applied.

Also, afiaw, Goodwin never used the term "Scottish football will become a laughing stock". I could be wrong, I've not caught everything he's said to the media. What he did say was that the SPFL would have made a "mockery of the league" should they be forced to play an outfield player in goal. While, while perhaps open to debate, is not quite as hyperbolic as the quote you have proffered.

I would like to say, as a caveat, that from an objective point of view, I sort of chime with @invergowrie arab when they say it's "what the fans want to see". It brings the drama and box office element seeing an outfield player in goals. That is until it's your own team. I'm sure you took no joy watching Robbie Winters ship goals in a cup final.

 

[Falkirk09Bairn]

9 minutes ago, Ric said:

Interesting claim, considering you were so annoyed at someone for posting a verifiable quote that you needed to signal your utter disgust in the only manner available to you. I presume you are the relation of another well kent Falkirk supporter on here as that is very much their MO too.

However to address your comment directly I think it's only polite to reply to someone, and there was no "game" being played. Perhaps you are just reading what you want into the situation.

Huge apologies in that case. Honestly didn’t have you down as a gentleman. There aren’t many on this website. 

[Ric]

Just now, Falkirk09Bairn said:

Huge apologies in that case. Honestly didn’t have you down as a gentleman. There aren’t many on this website. 

Well, you know, I think I'll take the compliment even though I am sure it was drenched in sarcasm.

[Green Day]

1 hour ago, kingjoey said:

Jim Goodwin is reported to be “flabbergasted” in the papers today, that St Mirren were forced to play with their three keepers unavailable, and, of course, the standard “Scottish football will become a laughing stock”.

He should have picked up the phone to us - Porteous and Boyle seemed to have very good ball handling skills for outfield players......................................................actually maybe better handling than Zlamal 

[Mark Connolly]

1 hour ago, Green Day said:

He should have picked up the phone to us - Porteous and Boyle seemed to have very good ball handling skills for outfield players......................................................actually maybe better handling than Zlamal 

They could probably also have had McLaughlin given all the problems we caused him.

[Szamo's_Ammo]

5 hours ago, kingjoey said:

Jim Goodwin is reported to be “flabbergasted” in the papers today, that St Mirren were forced to play with their three keepers unavailable, and, of course, the standard “Scottish football will become a laughing stock”. Has it not always been the case that, so long as a team has enough players to play, regardless of which position the unavailable players represent, the game has to be played? Hence Ryan Stevenson playing in goal for Raith Rovers a few years back.

Elbows Goodwin exposing himself as a moron should not come as a surprise to anyone.

Edited September 13, 2020 by Szamo's_Ammo

[Ric]

57 minutes ago, Szamo's_Ammo said:

Elbows Goodwin exposing himself as a moron should not come as a surprise to anyone.

[kingjoey]

7 hours ago, Ric said:

That's a little bit disingenuous the way you represent that. Raith were able, should finances decree, to bring in a keeper should they wish. They chose not to, or were unwilling to, the situation here is that Goodwin was hamstrung by virus restrictions and testing so that avenue was not available to us or was at the very least extremely hampered. He has a list of keepers we could have brought in. Virus guidelines also stopped us playing a keeper that had provided a negative test. It's the very specific circumstances of this case that Goodwin is highlighting, not that just "in the round" the rules have been applied.

Also, afiaw, Goodwin never used the term "Scottish football will become a laughing stock". I could be wrong, I've not caught everything he's said to the media. What he did say was that the SPFL would have made a "mockery of the league" should they be forced to play an outfield player in goal. While, while perhaps open to debate, is not quite as hyperbolic as the quote you have proffered.

I would like to say, as a caveat, that from an objective point of view, I sort of chime with @invergowrie arab when they say it's "what the fans want to see". It brings the drama and box office element seeing an outfield player in goals. That is until it's your own team. I'm sure you took no joy watching Robbie Winters ship goals in a cup final.

 

I’m don’t see  my post as being disingenuous. Are you saying that it’s not always been the case that a game has to be played as long as a team has enough players regardless of what positions these players play in? Covid 19 or not Covid 19 there’s no difference in what St Mirren were instructed to do.

[Zen Archer (Raconteur)]

8 hours ago, Ric said:

Raith were able, should finances decree, to bring in a keeper should they wish. They chose not to, or were unwilling to,

Eric Drysdale who was our CEO at the time and was on various SPFL committees and was paid to know the rules and only had to pick up the phone for clarification claimed he didn't know the rule existed to get an emergency keeper.

He's now club secretary at Dundee, good luck to them.

[Green Day]

6 minutes ago, Zen Archer Esq. said:

Eric Drysdale who was our CEO at the time and was on various SPFL committees and was paid to know the rules and only had to pick up the phone for clarification claimed he didn't know the rule existed to get an emergency keeper.

He's now club secretary at Dundee, good luck to them.

That probably explains why that email vote didnt arrive a few months ago.............................

[RedEd]

1 hour ago, Zen Archer Esq. said:

Eric Drysdale who was our CEO at the time and was on various SPFL committees and was paid to know the rules and only had to pick up the phone for clarification claimed he didn't know the rule existed to get an emergency keeper.

He's now club secretary at Dundee, good luck to them.

In fairness Stevo pulled off a cracking save in the first minute and we scraped a 1-0 win.

[Ric]

2 hours ago, kingjoey said:

I’m don’t see  my post as being disingenuous.

I said "a little bit" not that it was entirely, and in the way I laid out. You were trying to make the claim that Goodwin was making the case that Scottish football is a laughing stock, which I don't believe he said, and compared it to the Raith Rovers situation and I detailed why that wasn't the case.

It's not a big deal, I'm not trashing your post, just felt it needed a bit of adjustment.

[kingjoey]

1 minute ago, Ric said:

I said "a little bit" not that it was entirely, and in the way I laid out. You were trying to make the claim that Goodwin was making the case that Scottish football is a laughing stock, which I don't believe he said, and compared it to the Raith Rovers situation and I detailed why that wasn't the case.

It's not a big deal, I'm not trashing your post, just felt it needed a bit of adjustment.

Ok, that’s certainly fair. However, three different newspapers reporting on their back pages that Jim Goodwin said that Scottish football was in danger of becoming the laughing stock of world football.

[DA Baracus]

Off The Ball had a good bit on the 'laughing stock of world football' nonsense today.

[Ric]

4 minutes ago, kingjoey said:

Ok, that’s certainly fair. However, three different newspapers reporting on their back pages that Jim Goodwin said that Scottish football was in danger of becoming the laughing stock of world football.

And as I say, he very well may have said those exact words, I've not followed every comment he's made. He's certainly suggested it was making a mockery of the league, but that's different. Perhaps I could be accused of semantics there.

With the media, you know how they go, in fact for an example we had a poster above citing Leitch as saying there was categorically no fans at football until October, which if you read the papers you'd think that's what he said, however what he actually said was tangibly different (or at least based on the direct quotes of his I could find).

1 minute ago, DA Baracus said:

Off The Ball had a good bit on the 'laughing stock of world football' nonsense today.

I don't listen to the show, but if they had Goodwin actually saying those words, then fair play I'll hold my hands up and apologies to KingJoey.

Edited September 13, 2020 by Ric

[SouthLanarkshireWhite]

On 12/09/2020 at 20:11, Bob in Denny said:

oops..

Give him the benefit as more likely Dortmund official mistake

Can't believe the number of people who get that wrong here.

Place in Carluke, no longer there but had a sign above the window ( I can't remember the actual name) but was something like Alexs Pizza's - tbf it is hard to be that wrong.