General Politics Thread

[williemillersmoustache]

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The proportion of people living in poverty who are in a working family has hit a record high, according to a report that shows rising levels of employment have failed to translate into higher living standards.

The Joseph Rowntree Foundation said that while paid employment reduces the risk of poverty, about 56% of people living in poverty in 2018 were in a household where at least one person had a job, compared with 39% 20 years ago.

Seven in 10 children in poverty are now in a working family, the charity’s annual UK poverty report found.

And because thick horrible c***s often respond better to pictures:

[oneteaminglasgow]

21 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

I seem to recall Beveridge, the founder of the welfare state saying that welfare should be temporary to allow the individual to get through a period of unemployment or sickness but it should not be a permanent thing.

Can you find us the quote, please? 

[Wee-Bey]

These boys really scraping the bottom of the barrel now. Diminishing returns.

[Wee-Bey]

50 minutes ago, Duries Air Freshener said:

That's the 2nd post where you've acted all smarmy, so forgive me for not taking you seriously from now on.  Think I'm going to have to take a firmer stance with those who can't discuss things in a reasonable manner.

Are you going to put him on your ever expanding ignore list ?

[Duries Air Freshener]

2 minutes ago, Detective Jimmy McNulty said:

Are you going to put him on your ever expanding ignore list ?

Come again?

I've only got AbusiveRoseKillie on ignore I think.

[btb]

 

1 hour ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

I seem to recall Beveridge, the founder of the welfare state saying that welfare should be temporary to allow the individual to get through a period of unemployment or sickness but it should not be a permanent thing.

I seem to recall his report advocated support from "the cradle to the grave".

[jakedee]

What happens if the sickness is permanent?

Can't see any mention of "temporary"

https://blog.nationalarchives.gov.uk/beveridge-report-foundations-welfare-state/

[Dawson Park Boy]

3 hours ago, oneteaminglasgow said:

Can you find us the quote, please? 

No.

Im just summarising my recollection.

[Dawson Park Boy]

1 hour ago, jakedee said:

Can't see any mention of "temporary"

https://blog.nationalarchives.gov.uk/beveridge-report-foundations-welfare-state/

It does talk about a ‘safety net’ which means that only when your income fell below that would you be helped.

 

2 hours ago, btb said:

 

I seem to recall his report advocated support from "the cradle to the grave".

Child benefits and OAP would cover that through the contributory system as we have now.

Also unemployment and sickness would be covered.

Again - the safety net but never a permanent entitlement.

[Benjamin_Nevis]

No.
Im just summarising my recollection.

"Lying"

As per.

[Bairnardo]

Child benefits and OAP would cover that through the contributory system as we have now.
Also unemployment and sickness would be covered.
Again - the safety net but never a permanent entitlement.

Can you detail the current provision for "permanent entitlement" for people able but not willing to work?

[Benjamin_Nevis]

Can you detail the current provision for "permanent entitlement" for people able but not willing to work?

"I don't know much about this, but...."

[oneteaminglasgow]

17 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

No.

Im just summarising my recollection.

That’s lucky - you, and only you, remember the time that William Beveridge said something that backs up your exact ideological position, which you now can’t source.

How fortunate for you. 

[Bairnardo]

"I don't know much about this, but...."

NAP

[Duries Air Freshener]

Unsurprising to see the usual suspects at their obnoxious best.

[Dawson Park Boy]

33 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

36 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Child benefits and OAP would cover that through the contributory system as we have now.
Also unemployment and sickness would be covered.
Again - the safety net but never a permanent entitlement.

Can you detail the current provision for "permanent entitlement" for people able but not willing to work?

There isn’t one and nor indeed should there be.

This debate was about whether or not it was the state”s responsibility to provide foodbanks.

It isn’t and I agreed with poster who made that point.

[carpetmonster]

Just now, Dawson Park Boy said:

There isn’t one and nor indeed should there be.

This debate was about whether or not it was the state”s responsibility to provide foodbanks.

It isn’t and I agreed with poster who made that point.

The state doesn't provide food banks. 

[Duries Air Freshener]

2 minutes ago, carpetmonster said:

The state doesn't provide food banks. 

No one said it does.

[carpetmonster]

4 minutes ago, Duries Air Freshener said:

No one said it does.

So when it comes to be the case - and it's becoming so at a frightening rate - that someone's working a full time job, yet still has to rely on the kindness of their neighbours to be able to eat, that doesn't indicate that the state isn't functioning fairly poorly?

 

ETA - I'm still waiting on any lies from the Member for Paisley & Renfrewshire South BTW. Very rude to try and jump into another discussion when you've bodyswerved the previous one. 

Edited May 19, 2022 by carpetmonster

[BFTD]

This is just pure Oaksoft bait.

Let's hope the "poverty doesn't exist" guy shows up, not the virtue-signalling imposter of recent times.