StellarHibee Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, pub car king said: What exactly do Norway gain from this? They're going to take Scotland's north sea with them, because that's obviously how maritime border law works. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 11 minutes ago, pub car king said: What exactly do Norway gain from this? Fucking massive EEZ. This is clearly being fomented by Noggie provocateurs who've infiltrated the upper reaches of the S̶t̶o̶n̶e̶y̶b̶r̶i̶d̶g̶e̶ Orcadian government. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 13 minutes ago, orfc said: All maritime boundaries run east-west as we know https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/01/scotlandengland-maritime-boundaries/ If I'm reading Murray's article correctly, he doesn't agree with the east-west boundary either. What point are you trying to make? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 11 hours ago, Bully Wee Villa said: Is this a real bid for Norwegian citizenship by the Orcadians or just a game of brinkmanship to get more money or pay less tax? They want more money, but then again so do many more places. They already know there is no mechanism for them to decide to "leave" the UK, regardless of how many proposals they put to their own council. As we know already, neither of the major parties that will be in charge of the UK government will grant Scotland a referendum, so the chances of them saying they will allow the Orkney Islands this opportunity is pretty much zero. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 15 hours ago, approximately dave said: Have you ever wished that the region you live in belonged to another country or have you ever wished that a neighbouring region would f**k off and join another country? If Nairnshire was part of New Zealand, I could visit New Zealand and be back home the same day without any long tiring plane flights. Maybe they could give us Stewart Island in return. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 Down here in Ayrshire I'm getting ready to write an apology for the battle of Largs and ask if Norway will take us back. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dav nan Gael Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 Wee note .......Orkney per head of population had the biggest "No" vote in the 2014 indy ref. They've always been Orcadian 1st and Scottish or British 2nd. Like everyone is saying there is no way the UK government will allow a referendum on Orkney or Shetland leaving for either Norwegian rule or total independence. Best they could hope for is an Isle of Man/Channel Islands crown dependency outcome. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 I’m sure I’ve seen this episode before. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 Norway can buy it back for the modern equivalent of the 50,000 Rhenish guilders they pawned it to us for. Appropriate timing that Neil Oliver's Orkney archaeological programme was repeated on BBC4 last night. He struggled to shoehorn in enough references to Brit-tan, not sure how this news will be messing with his head?... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 A cynic might think this whole Orkney story was being deliberately created to cause discomfort to the independence movement. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 On 03/07/2023 at 12:26, Dav nan Gael said: Wee note .......Orkney per head of population had the biggest "No" vote in the 2014 indy ref. They've always been Orcadian 1st and Scottish or British 2nd. Like everyone is saying there is no way the UK government will allow a referendum on Orkney or Shetland leaving for either Norwegian rule or total independence. Best they could hope for is an Isle of Man/Channel Islands crown dependency outcome. No way they'd join Norway. Their football team is honkin'. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 They should join OPEC or BRICS instead imo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 5 hours ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: A cynic might think this whole Orkney story was being deliberately created to cause discomfort to the independence movement. The Norway thing will never happen but it's quite an awkward position for Humza Yousaf and the SNP if anything was to come of it. Obviously their big argument for another independence referendum is that populations should be allowed to self-determine their constitutional future. If that's true of Scotland, why wouldn't it be true of Orkney? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 11 minutes ago, Donathan said: The Norway thing will never happen but it's quite an awkward position for Humza Yousaf and the SNP if anything was to come of it. Obviously their big argument for another independence referendum is that populations should be allowed to self-determine their constitutional future. If that's true of Scotland, why wouldn't it be true of Orkney? The thing most of the news stories missed was the option of becoming a Crown dependency - a statelet within the UK - sound familiar? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 4 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: The thing most of the news stories missed was the option of becoming a Crown dependency - a statelet within the UK - sound familiar? Mebyon Kernow - a Cornish Nationalist political party which has had some success in local elections - don't advocate Cornwall becoming a fully independent country but they do support Cornwall seceding from England and becoming a constituent nation of the UK in their own right. I could see Orkney (and Shetland?) wanting to go down the route of having similar status as Jersey/Guernsey/Isle of Man. Similarly if Scotland was to become independent I think they'd opt for a Faroe Islands type agreement. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Donathan said: Mebyon Kernow - a Cornish Nationalist political party which has had some success in local elections - don't advocate Cornwall becoming a fully independent country but they do support Cornwall seceding from England and becoming a constituent nation of the UK in their own right. I could see Orkney (and Shetland?) wanting to go down the route of having similar status as Jersey/Guernsey/Isle of Man. Similarly if Scotland was to become independent I think they'd opt for a Faroe Islands type agreement. If Scotland were to become independent and Orkney were already a crown dependency then they would remain as part of the UK. That's why certain right wing papers are championing this - on the basis that it undermines Scottish Independence. Interesting to note that at least one Orkney councillor was calling out the Norway stuff as a complete red herring. Any move to being a crown dependency has to be based on a democratic vote by the electorate not the whims of Westminster. I also question the motivations behind this move - there is no great move for self-determination in Orkney - it smacks of mischief making for other purposes. Edited July 4, 2023 by DeeTillEhDeh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 6 hours ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: A cynic might think this whole Orkney story was being deliberately created to cause discomfort to the independence movement. Finally a story that causes discomfort to the independence movement. It's been ages since we had one of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 13 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: I also question the motivations behind this move - there is no great move for self-determination in Orkney - it smacks of mischief making for other purposes. I wonder when this stoty was last given an airing by the UK press? Oh! It's Better Together's greatest lies all over again! https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/03/orkney-has-exposed-the-lie-at-the-heart-of-snp-scotland/ "And Orcadians voted 67 per cent against independence from the UK in 2014. There was talk at that time of Orkney and the Shetlands seceding from any independent Scotland. " 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 Could Norway be persuaded to take the Western Isles back too 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 8 minutes ago, tamthebam said: Could Norway be persuaded to take the Western Isles back too Largs also, after all Nardini's have been selling at Norwegian prices for years now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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