Gianfranco Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 I’ll not be purchasing Aberdeen’s ppv until I see our lineup. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YassinMoutaouakil Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 I fucking love Bevis btw, maybe SR was onto something with playing him upfront 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'WellDel Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 I don't know if he just sticks blindly with the formation and complete concession of midfield in every game simply because we do not have a midfield to speak of. It's just Slattery along with another couple of empty jerseys running about aimlessly, making up the numbers. O'Hara has the physical attributes to be able to get stuck in but is soft as shite. Goss ghosts around doing hee haw, Grimshaw is, well, Grimshaw. Your options after that are Crawford, Maguire etc. (whom I would maybe even be inclined to give a run out as at least he is likely to get fucked in unlike sand dancer Goss). Whether we missed a deadline target or not, there is no excuse for that to be the sum of your parts in the middle of the park. One of, if not the worst midfields in the league. To start with the defence was performing well enough to cope with the constant onslaught, but since that's went to shit the whole gameplan is out the window, yet he continues blindly with it. For Aberdeen, it might not be pretty, but if Alexander is insistent on playing the same way, I'd jettison Goss and put Maguire in. Then it's a choice of telling O'Hara to get the finger out or putting Grimmy back in. Not pretty but at least functional and might offer the defence a bit of protection. Either that or just fire big Mich'el right in there for the lol's. After the last few games, what's the worst that could happen? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 I am fucking sick of watching this shite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allroy for Prez Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 (edited) It’s far too early to bin Alexander but barring a massive change in approach the attendances are going to fall off a cliff. That’s the feel good factor of being back at the fitba and being excited well and truly ruined. At least Dundee gave the perfect response to losing by 5 at home, it remains to be seen if we do, but if at 2pm next Saturday we see we’re lining up 433 with McGinley and Goss in there Flow should start drawing up a shortlist of replacements. Edited October 31, 2021 by Allroy for Prez 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 (edited) I've no real interest in a navel gazing post-mortem about today because...tbh, what's the fucking point? To speak broadly though we've had a good start to the season, that's undeniable and remains the case regardless of the 1-6 today. Like most I'd have taken sitting 6th on 15 points after the first round of fixtures so I'm not about to pretend otherwise and getting on the revisionist bandwagon is for the birds. We picked up points because we were clinical with our finishing, created good chances and for the most part were comfortable keeping teams at arms length. It was true when we were all posting about it in August and September and it's true now. That's fine. The flip of that is that if you accept that we were worth our points up until Alexander won MoTM (and we were worth the points) the recent run is something that can't really just be swept under the carpet. In the first 7 games we'd conceded 7 goals, in the last 5 we've conceded 14 (FOURTEEN). I'm no fitba' genius but that would suggest an issue somewhere. Pointing to underlying numbers kind of misses the point in that, as @crazylegsjoe_mfc pointed out the other day, for the most part the goals we've started coughing up have fundamentally been mistakes. Kelly inexplicably conceding a penalty with 3 mins gone at Tynecastle, O'Donnell ball watching against Celtic and United, McGinley getting caught on the ball and handling for the free kick that led to United's 2nd, Brophy's first the other night....there are plenty to choose from. It's a coulda, woulda situation but even on Wednesday night regardless of "style" or whatever we got ourselves in a position to win the game. We're 2-0 up with 53 mins played. Sure, Bobby Madden cost us the win (I 100% believe this and won't be swayed otherwise) but even that in itself is a "look at the shiny things" distraction - we still conceded 2 goals where it feels like we probably wouldn't have a month and a half ago. We've not won a game with Goss starting. I'm not saying it's all Sean Goss's fault but it's a fairly obvious question to ask in terms of "what was different in the first 7 games vs the most recent 5". There are probably some pretty inconvenient truths in the answers. Either way, it needs fixed. So get it done Grezza. Edited October 31, 2021 by capt_oats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 18 minutes ago, capt_oats said: for the most part the goals we've started coughing up have fundamentally been mistakes. Almost every goal scored in football contains a "mistake" in it from the side that concedes, tbf. You can't just look at ones you've conceded as being freak incidences and not do the same for the ones you've scored. The underlying numbers chat just hints at your chances of winning. Only Livingston are regularly having less of the important things every match than their opponents, and the only difference between you and them is you're more clinical with chances so far. It doesn't mean you and them will finish 11th/12th, just that you have less margin for error every game than the rest of the league, so when small things start to go wrong, as they do, it'll hit harder. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Almost every goal scored in football contains a "mistake" in it from the side that concedes, tbf. You can't just look at ones you've conceded as being freak incidences and not do the same for the ones you've scored. The underlying numbers chat just hints at your chances of winning. Only Livingston are regularly having less of the important things every match than their opponents, and the only difference between you and them is you're more clinical with chances so far. It doesn't mean you and them will finish 11th/12th, just that you have less margin for error every game than the rest of the league, so when small things start to go wrong, as they do, it'll hit harder. Yeah, I get all that. I should have qualified it by saying "mistakes we weren't making previously". For reasons that aren't exactly clear we seem to have started making really dumb decisions defensively. Kelly coming flying out his goal at Tynecastle to needlessly concede the penalty and again the other night against St Mirren for Brophy's first goal being examples. Edited October 31, 2021 by capt_oats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamora Fan Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 Interested to see the chat about Goss. Motherwell fans starting to see what we warned them about? Think the guy might be my least favourite player ever 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, Zamora Fan said: Interested to see the chat about Goss. Motherwell fans starting to see what we warned them about? Think the guy might be my least favourite player ever 40 minutes ago, capt_oats said: We've not won a game with Goss starting A good run of form turning into a poor run of form, with a spineless performance v Rangers in the mix. Thats the Sean Goss effect! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisGRAEME Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 2 hours ago, welldaft said: I genuinely have not seen nor heard this ever being a good tactic. And today and previous games shows why. So in bits and pieces, it kind of works. We compress the game into 3 lines and it makes it a) difficult to play through and b) easier to break with. It seems to rely on you defence finding midfielders quickly, and being aggressive, attackers holding it for midfielders to support and getting in behind, and midfielders shuttling back and forth at pace, aggressively pressing second balls. We're fucking shit at the last bit, so it falls to bits. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: A good run of form turning into a poor run of form, with a spineless performance v Rangers in the mix. Thats the Sean Goss effect! Honestly, it's not even funny. You'd only lost 3 of the previous 14 before he made his debut. Spoiler Played 6 W 0 D 1 L 5 We'd only lost 2 of our previous 8 before he made his first league start. Spoiler As of now he's started 4 we've lost 3 and drawn 1. Edited October 31, 2021 by capt_oats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 6 minutes ago, capt_oats said: Honestly, it's not even funny. Can't say you weren't warned tbf. Fairly sure he got dumped to left back at Shrewsbury because he couldn't be trusted in the middle. If you're lucky Alexander will have less of an ego than Wright and will see its not working and dump him, rather than continue the charade because he'd signed them and wanted it to work out. If you're unlucky he'll continue to mince about the middle of the park contributing nothing expect the odd dead ball. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'WellDel Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 23 minutes ago, thisGRAEME said: So in bits and pieces, it kind of works. We compress the game into 3 lines and it makes it a) difficult to play through and b) easier to break with. It seems to rely on you defence finding midfielders quickly, and being aggressive, attackers holding it for midfielders to support and getting in behind, and midfielders shuttling back and forth at pace, aggressively pressing second balls. We're fucking shit at the last bit, so it falls to bits. A couple of competent full backs would be nice, but oh, for some fucking midfielders. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radford Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 That's quite remarkable that Goss has done it again. Sympathies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuggy d Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 4 hours ago, Mr Hahn said: I appreciate our midfielders are pish, but clearly only playing 3 of them isn't working. We're getting so badly dominated in that area of the park every week that the only solution I see is to put another body in there and try a different system. 4-3-3 is dandy when you've got three midfielders with good movement and interplay but we don't and I'm not really sure why we've persisted with 4-3-3 for so long, particularly as it was the same system that the previous manager played. Seen better midfielders in the lower leagues 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 Is there any chat worth reading in the match thread? I have stayed out of it as the Rangers fans on here are all glory hunting morons from up north or down in the borders who couldn't point to Ibrox on a map. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazylegsjoe_mfc Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 57 minutes ago, capt_oats said: Kelly coming flying out his goal at Tynecastle to needlessly concede the penalty and again the other night against St Mirren for Brophy's first goal being examples. I honestly struggle to apportion any blame to Kelly in the St. Mirren goal, Mugabi just let Brophy run right across and gifted him a one-on-one chance. I don’t see what Kelly could have done other than come out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisGRAEME Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 16 minutes ago, 'WellDel said: A couple of competent full backs would be nice, but oh, for some fucking midfielders. I actually feel for them. They haven't been great by any stretch, but they're stuck betwixt and between. If they go forward, the central midfielders are barely dropping in to cover, the wide players end up either drifting inside or so high that they're f**k all use defensively. If they stay back and defend, we're absolutely over run in midfield because having three central guys doing more or less the same thing ends up super narrow. It also seems to be that we're quite happy to cede the wings and let crosses come in and we're confident we'll defend them, which is probably fine a lot of the time, but today was absolutely hopeless because they'll just keep coming again and again. I'm not entirely sure, I'll go back and look, but I'm pretty sure about half the goals we concede are from full-backs actually getting forward like they're presumably being asked to and then the whole thing going to pot. The whole thing ends up constantly looking like we're playing with a man down, because you're asking guys to be in two places at once. You're also susceptible to a ball in behind (like Brophy x2) because you have to ask your defenders to be so high, and presumably, again, asking your fullbacks to somehow fucking cover because they have pace. It doesn't work, and it'd a fucking mess. The squad we have is better than its showing without question, and it is being utilised in the wrong way, imo. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, crazylegsjoe_mfc said: I honestly struggle to apportion any blame to Kelly in the St. Mirren goal, Mugabi just let Brophy run right across and gifted him a one-on-one chance. I don’t see what Kelly could have done other than come out. Don't get me wrong there's plenty of blame to spread around with that goal. It just kind of felt like he committed then second guessed himself (probably after conceding the penalty against Hearts) so checked out about 6 yards away from Brophy and kind of left himself in no mans land. If you've come out that far just keep going (without launching yourself at his feet obvs). Edited October 31, 2021 by capt_oats 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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