ATLIS Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 1 hour ago, eliphas said: I'd imagine 4 years in the pokie for coke and money laundering probably still restricts him to some extent. Especially outside of Scotland, so why risk it by moving on from a safe gig I guess Martindale, not Hammell... There's a question building up in the back of a lot of people's minds at Livi, will Martindale be allowed to travel to European countries if we make it into Europe? I'm not sure what the terms of it are but having a serious criminal past will surely mean some countries will stop him entering. Bit of a weird question but it's a weird situation as well. Not as common of a thought for Livi given the last time we were in Europe was 2002ish 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie McSquackle Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 The reserves lost 4-1 at Queen of the South tonight which doesn't sound great for the triallist (or the reserves to be honest). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowsdower Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 It was the development team, all 16/17 year olds by the looks of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welldaft Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, 'WellDel said: Losing to Aberdeen and getting papped out the cup are two very distinct possibilities going by the new and extremely low bar set last night, but I agree, even if we do lose both, St Mirren is his do or die fixture. If that goes awry the current apathy will give way to anger and lead to a baying mob outside the main stand and the board, reluctant or otherwise, will have no option but to pull the trigger. I guess it will be the manner of the performance and result on Saturday. If by some miracle we play well and win, draw or even lose narrowly. The Board can see improvement and that hopefully Wed night was just a blip. Then fine. But if we surrender meekly and lose to a poor Aberdeen side he should not be given the Cup game. If we then go on to lose to Raith then that could have probably been avoided. At that point I would want the Board gone as well as the Manager. I said I would not repeat myself but somewhat unsurprisingly I have ! Edited February 3, 2023 by welldaft 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 7 hours ago, Archie McSquackle said: The reserves lost 4-1 at Queen of the South tonight which doesn't sound great for the triallist (or the reserves to be honest). Or Kettlewell if he is next in line as interim manager. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, thisGRAEME said: Agree with all you've said before as well. At some point it'll reach a natural conclusion you'd think, but it won't be soon, I'd say. With clubs moving to more consistent staffing models like DoF and stuff, it just isn't a good fit elsewhere. When he was on the show with us the buzz he had about how he'd built the gym and done all sorts during covid was the same as the buzz he had for lyndon dykes and his role in making him who he is now was the same, and it would require a club to give him that level of control. He just fuckin loves being the guy, and grafts like f**k to keep being the guy. It sounds daft but it works because he works, and if you took any bit of it away I don't think it would. This is broadly my take on Martindale. Anyone suggesting him for other mid-tier jobs in Scotland (Motherwell, Hibs, Aberdeen, United...whomever) just hasn't been paying attention. He's in with the bricks at Livi and it works - if you bounce him into a different set up, at another team...I'm not sure it does. Absolutely fair play to him if he realises that. Edited February 3, 2023 by capt_oats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desp Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 8 hours ago, Archie McSquackle said: The reserves lost 4-1 at Queen of the South tonight which doesn't sound great for the triallist (or the reserves to be honest). That result paid for my ticket for Raith Rovers, at least... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) Was curious to see when we'd emptied previous managers. This obvs includes interim and hasn't updated Hammell's stats in a while - it's league games and he's currently 21.73%... Link Of the permanent managers who have left: 3 - December (Gannon, Brown, Robinson) 2 - February (McLeish, McGhee) 2 - May (McLean, Butcher) 2 - June (Malpas, McGhee) 2 - September (Davies, Baraclough) 1 - June - (Black) 1 - July (Alexander) 1 - October (Kampman) 1 - November (McCall) Edited February 3, 2023 by capt_oats 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie McSquackle Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 55 minutes ago, Desp said: That result paid for my ticket for Raith Rovers, at least... Can you bet on Reserve games these days? Presumably the big bookies don't know we're playing the kids. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil86 Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, Archie McSquackle said: Can you bet on Reserve games these days? Presumably the big bookies don't know we're playing the kids. you used to be able to, there was actually a tipster account who had inside info on teams being fielded. You can only bet on that reserve league cup nowadays, for some reason. Another tipster was on twitter last night saying he heard Motherwell were fielding a very young team and backed QOTS at 4/1, most bookies clocked on removed it and slashed the odds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swello Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 31 minutes ago, capt_oats said: Was curious to see when we'd emptied previous managers. This obvs includes interim and hasn't updated Hammell's stats in a while - it's league games and he's currently 21.73%... Link Of the permanent managers who have left: 3 - December (Gannon, Brown, Robinson) 2 - February (McLeish, McGhee) 2 - May (McLean, Butcher) 2 - June (Malpas, McGhee) 2 - September (Davies, Baraclough) 1 - June - (Black) 1 - July (Alexander) 1 - October (Kampman) 1 - November (McCall) So if Hammell is emptied in the next few games, he'd basically be a Gannon and possibly the shortest serving permanent manager in the club's history? Brutal stuff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one m in Motherwell Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 For whatever reason I always remembered Eric Black as having a much better record than that. I know it coincided with the admin stuff but I always thought it was weirdly positive before then? But aye. Doesn't look good for Mr Hammell... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Swello said: So if Hammell is emptied in the next few games, he'd basically be a Gannon and possibly the shortest serving permanent manager in the club's history? Brutal stuff. Aye. I mean, It's not looking good for him tbh. As it stands he's lost 56% of his league games in charge. Edited February 3, 2023 by capt_oats 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazylegsjoe_mfc Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, one m in Motherwell said: For whatever reason I always remembered Eric Black as having a much better record than that. I know it coincided with the admin stuff but I always thought it was weirdly positive before then? But aye. Doesn't look good for Mr Hammell... He started off with having a really good record at home, in his P9 W6 D1 L2. We were brutal away in this time. P10 D2 L8. Then after that he won only one game in 8 before he resigned when admin struck. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swello Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 What's Tommy McClean up to these days? I'd chip in for a new travelling rug for him - maybe install an old-school dugout for him to berate our players from. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapowzer Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 Was thinking about this last night and it just made me rage. Mandron out for what we’re told is a few weeks ….. so we sign Obika, our third “handful” striker. Club knew in August it was Penney who was reluctant to sign up for the season. I get they hoped they could maybe convince but he’s out the door in mid Jan replaced on deadline day by an unproven starlet. Ship out Sol and regardless what you think he was a body. Blaney gets injured and precautionary subbed. McGinn and Lamie see out the game. Three layers of cover at striker, 4 if you count Aitchison. Right back drafted in to cover centre half as zero left to offer. We play with two centre half’s. For a club that professed being so well run a week ago. That is a shitshow of missing glaring priorities. Lets face it, if Hammy was a pilot he’s be bobbing up and down in the mid-Atlantic in a liferaft at present. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 Noticed this from Narey's Toepoker and aye...add in his overall record and it's really on the board to take some sort of ownership of the fact that they've made a (bad) decision that hasn't worked out as they'd hoped. Even taking into account there's a raft of new players in the door there's absolutely f**k all to suggest that he and Kerr will be able to do anything with them. In fact, as a related point I'm genuinely curious to see what would happen if we were to give Hammell's group of players to a halfway competent coaching team now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al B Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 I hate it when you've just settled down and then someone words something differently and it all comes back again. 6 points out of 45 is fucking frightening. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Al B said: I hate it when you've just settled down and then someone words something differently and it all comes back again. 6 points out of 45 is fucking frightening. It was re-visiting that Kerr/Albion Rovers doc that really crystallised things for me in terms of what we've actually done here and why we really shouldn't be surprised. Very much a case of the Peter Principle but we've promoted a guy out of a strategic position with the Academy (that he seems to have been good at) to become first team manager despite him not actually having any first team coaching or managerial experience and paired him with a guy whose managerial experience was relegating Albion Rovers from League 1 to League 2 plus 12 games with EK. Now we're joint bottom of the league with 1 (ONE) home league win this season. I mean, I'm sure it was done with the best of intentions and I've no doubt Hammell's pitch was good but in hindsight? Edited February 3, 2023 by capt_oats 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one m in Motherwell Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 I need a sit down after looking at that. What's that Einstein quote about the definition of insanity again? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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