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31 minutes ago, JayMFC said:

The approach we are taking to the Well Society's strategy will, in my opinion, allow the Society to put itself forward as the best option, rather than just the default one. That's the aim and I think we're now very confident we can do that. Fan-ownership hasn't failed and it isn't not working. But the Well Society can be so much more than it currently is and, after having a great deal of my enthusiasm sapped over the last year or two (to the extent that a couple of my fellow board members had to persuade me to stand again in October, which I'm relieved I agreed to), I feel very positive again that we're going to get there.

Fwiw, I dunno if anyone else here joined the 'workstream' calls over the day yesterday and my overall feeling is that there are a some things within the Society that are a wee bit concerning, but that the current board are very much grasping the nettle to move things forward.

The overall acknowledgement both there and here from Jay that there needs to be a real drive and aim, rather than simply existing is key, IMO, so it was good to see that it's happening.

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8 minutes ago, Dosser1886 said:

Made it all the better at the end, lots of empty seats to stand on and space to celebrate

Rangers fans piling out of the Cooper stand as Ainsworth's goal went in to make it 5-1 on aggregate made the whole thing even better than it already was. 

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11 hours ago, Busta Nut said:

I mind a Celtic fan in the East stand Getting mouthy, standing up and saying something as he tried to walk out. He was about 8 rows behind me and people were letting him walk right past them. I tried to climb back thinking I was gonna lamp him. Thankfully someone else did it after I got over about 3 rows cos the guy woulda kicked ma kunt in. 

Watched from my seat in the main stand one getting lamped by someone in the East stand, lovely stuff.

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15 minutes ago, well fan for life said:

Rangers fans piling out of the Cooper stand as Ainsworth's goal went in to make it 5-1 on aggregate made the whole thing even better than it already was. 

The game that had everything funny goalkeeping, pumping the ****, punch up between the players, pitch invasion, home fans noising up the greeting ****, police horses on the pitch,

Days like this and helicopter Sunday make it all worthwhile.

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2 hours ago, StAndrew7 said:

The conspiracy theorists would have you believe it's because the front of that strip has a diagonal stripe that looks remarkably like a piece of attire worn in July.

Did you not have a hoop on your shirt in the play off win v Rangers too?

Maybe youve stumbled onto something. 

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4 hours ago, JayMFC said:

So in the good few years I've been involved with the Society now, I have come close to tearing my hair out on a number of occasions in relation to this kind of thing. I remember spending months repeatedly highlighting how the array of wee frames for advertising in the East Stand toilets were lying empty, and I was constantly told they were going to be used by the club's commercial department. I don't think they ever actually were until maybe nearly a year later.

Pre-pandemic, I felt like we were making genuinely slow but reasonable progress in terms of visibility and general communications. We had wee stalls up the back of stands on the concourse at a number of home games, attempted to do Society versions of "MP surgeries" at Fir Park, and had a website that - although pretty mundane - was hosting information on the Society, including allowing us to issue statements on genuinely important matters that gave the Society its own voice. However, it feels like that progress wasn't just halted in the last couple of years, but was rolled back to some extent. I think that's why there's a genuine positivity now - now having a board with a majority who understand what's needed to improve, both drastically and quickly, and are actually prepared to put in the time and energy required to make it happen.

So in short, absolutely - I totally agree with your comments about visibility and presence, and we'll definitely be looking at the ways in which we can maximise that going forward. I do know that Speedie has already begun identifying a possible location for a constant Society presence going forward, so hopefully that's something that can come to fruition soon.

Just while I'm here (I took a bit of a break from the forums for a wee while there as the Society & investor stuff is currently all-consuming), I thought it might be worth just picking up on one or two other things.

In hindsight, the consultation question very possibly was a bit vague. I think the reason for that is simply that there was a huge effort to try and make both the content and the question itself as "non-leading" as possible. As a Society member, I've always voted for folk to join the board who I think will progress & protect fan-ownership, not folk who I think will still down and have conversations about investment with third parties who want to end fan-ownership. There was a real concern that we simply didn't have a mandate to do that. That's what the consultation was about - either getting that mandate from members so that we know we're not acting out of line by talking to investors who want majority control, or getting confirmation from members that we're wasting everyone's time by doing so.

On a purely personal level, I'd have probably preferred a different outcome in the vote, purely because my preference was for the club to appoint a CEO as soon as possible & get on with recruiting for the Executive Board in order to get the club out of the limbo it's currently in, while continuing to seek external investment that doesn't impact on fan-ownership. However, I completely understand why any Well Society member would vote to keep the options open, and that's absolutely fine - as I say, the consultation was just about setting out the parameters we are approaching discussions with, rather than anything else, and we can now do that. There was a deliberate approach to try and keep it as neutral a question as possible - which is probably why it perhaps spilled over from neutral into vague territory. 

In the meantime, I am genuinely positive about what we're now doing as a collective with a common purpose, fresh ideas, and a majority willing to put in the graft required. The workstreams in place are going to see some real, tangible improvements going forward. Even just very obvious things like scrapping the frankly ridiculous decision to incorporate the Society's website into a couple of pages hidden on the club's official website and returning to our own standalone website that provides all the information, including things like minutes and policies, will go a long way to solving issues around communications and transparency. It's been a bugbear of mine for a few years now that the Society was convinced by folk inside the club to go down that route and we've paid for it since, so I am delighted we're now at a point of being able to re-join pretty much every fan-ownership group on the planet in having our own website. I mean, when you actually write that out it is just mind-blowing that anyone thought it was a good idea to get rid of a Well Society website in the first place.

The approach we are taking to the Well Society's strategy will, in my opinion, allow the Society to put itself forward as the best option, rather than just the default one. That's the aim and I think we're now very confident we can do that. Fan-ownership hasn't failed and it isn't not working. But the Well Society can be so much more than it currently is and, after having a great deal of my enthusiasm sapped over the last year or two (to the extent that a couple of my fellow board members had to persuade me to stand again in October, which I'm relieved I agreed to), I feel very positive again that we're going to get there.

Fantastic Jay.

I would agree it would have been nice to get a CEO in place and get on with actually running the football club, but I guess circumstances are what they are and Society Members deserve to hear what the proposals are that are on offer.

Really looking forward to hearing what the Society has to offer as Im still 100% behind majority share fan ownership, whilst accepting that the offering needs to be better and extra revenue generated from somewhere.

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6 minutes ago, YassinMoutaouakil said:

That's actually an incredible cross from Spittal for the winner.  

He’s gone from someone I had zero time with because I felt he shirked too many tackles and was often too passive to me being genuinely upset to see him go.

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3 minutes ago, Vietnam91 said:

He’s gone from someone I had zero time with because I felt he shirked too many tackles and was often too passive to me being genuinely upset to see him go.

I was the same, constantly on his case. Best thing Kettlewell did when he came in, actually playing him in his proper position, and what a difference it made with him actually being able to demonste what he was good at. Now his confidence is sky high and it shows in his play, a joy to watch. Long may it continue.

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Aye - Spittal will be elsewhere in the summer but as with every player that sees out their contract, if his form wins him an upwards move, that can only be a good thing for us. He's also our POTY by a frightening distance.

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13 minutes ago, Swello said:

Aye - Spittal will be elsewhere in the summer but as with every player that sees out their contract, if his form wins him an upwards move, that can only be a good thing for us. He's also our POTY by a frightening distance.

Just to temper that, while Spittal, Bair and Kev all flourished under Kettlewell, Kelly, Butcher and (feels dirty saying this after Saturday) Casey have all went backwards on the second half of his watch.

Just always seems strange to me that manager get plaudits as being instrumental for any improvement and when players regresses it’s squarely put on them alone.

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1 minute ago, Vietnam91 said:

JKelly, Butcher and (feels dirty saying this after Saturday) Casey have all went backwards on the second half of his watch.

 

I'm willing to give Butcher and Casey a bit of slack as they have both come back from long term injuries.

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I was talking to my dad the other day about Spittal and he's definitely another player that's improved in his time with us. I remember being fairly underwhelmed when he signed but his range of passing and the goals he's been scoring this season have been incredible. No idea if it's down to Kettlewell or if we've just been lucky to get him in his prime.

As for OF fans in the Cooper, I sit up the back where it's fairly busy with regulars and wasn't aware of any Rangers fans in the play-off. There were plenty of Celtic fans on skippy Sunday but mainly down the front. 

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I've always thought Spittal was a good player. Don't him numbers show that? I mean he's obviously been great recently but I always liked him.

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21 minutes ago, Archie McSquackle said:

As for OF fans in the Cooper, I sit up the back where it's fairly busy with regulars and wasn't aware of any Rangers fans in the play-off. There were plenty of Celtic fans on skippy Sunday but mainly down the front. 

Agreed on both points. Was beginning to think my memory was going especially with the play-off game.

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