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7 minutes ago, SJFCtheTeamForMe said:

"Andy Kirk and Alex Cleland will take charge of the team ahead of Saturday's game against Ross County."

You surely don't say that then sack him tomorrow as well

Andy Kirk and Alex Cleland will take charge of the team ahead of Saturday's game against Ross County.

Hadn't seen that part tbh.

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7 minutes ago, SJFCtheTeamForMe said:

"Andy Kirk and Alex Cleland will take charge of the team ahead of Saturday's game against Ross County."

You surely don't say that then sack him tomorrow as well

Andy Kirk and Alex Cleland will take charge of the team ahead of Saturday's game against Ross County.

f**k OFF

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I may not have been paying attention but I dont think I have seen or heard anything from Kirk - I have no idea how much influence or impact he has had. Maybe giving him a chance is what is required. There's been a few comments about the decision being based on 'behind the scenes' stuff rather than simply results - maybe Kirk and Levein weren't as aligned as many thought they were? 

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11 minutes ago, Dooj said:

I may not have been paying attention but I dont think I have seen or heard anything from Kirk - I have no idea how much influence or impact he has had. Maybe giving him a chance is what is required. There's been a few comments about the decision being based on 'behind the scenes' stuff rather than simply results - maybe Kirk and Levein weren't as aligned as many thought they were? 

Levein and Kirk don't get on as well as some might think. 

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Seems easy enough to give Kirk a go as caretaker and let the results over the next few weeks determine whether he gets the job permanently or not. Will soon see if players are prepared to play for him.

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2 minutes ago, Dooj said:

Seems easy enough to give Kirk a go as caretaker and let the results over the next few weeks determine whether he gets the job permanently or not. Will soon see if players are prepared to play for him.

Nah. Just get a proper manager in.

We've enough example now of how players up their game in response to a sacking regardless of who the caretaker is.

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Best time to sack him. County will be down with us this season, and then 2 old firm games back to back. 
 

Gives us a large window to find the perfect person. 
 

I wonder if the dressing room and backroom staff were as united behind Cami as Levein stated….

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Hot take: I wouldn't have got rid of Levein yet. There have been plenty of dismal performances and red flags, but I think he had an eye for thinking outside the box regarding incoming players (which is a useful skill to have when you're being challenged with the finances at your disposal). Looking at the incomings and outgoings, it simply doesn't add up to me. If it's indeed the case that we're working on an almost non-existent budget at this point, our current issues surely lie a lot deeper than Craig Levein.

We still require an LB, a CB, and arguably a GK (although admittedly the latter is unlikely to happen). For all of his faults, I would have allowed him the opportunity to fill those gaps, give him a few weeks to implement his 'vision', and then punt him if it still wasn't working. I think that many fans were reactionary at the weekend based on recency bias. In reality, the first-half performance showed some marked signs of improvement with Holt and Sprangler there. I wouldn't necessarily trust any incoming manager to strengthen the squad as required.*

*If the new manager is Tommy Wright, I take back everything I said and I think it's the correct decision.

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Whilst the idea of Tommy Wright returning, would IMO, be a great result, I think @tree house tam has confirmed previously that this will not happen.

On that basis, whilst I have championed Rhys McCabe in the past, and wouldn't be unhappy at that appointment, I reckon the standout appointment would be Peter Leven.

i know he turned down the Raith gig to stay at Aberdeen, but the togetherness, tactics, game management and results he achieved from a dire Aberdeen side in terms of confidence and bringing out the best in the players at his disposal, is for me, exactly what we need.

The very fact Thelin was desparate for Leven to stay at Aberdeen also speaks volumes.

i hope his name is on the list and at least make an effort to bring him in - it would show the fans that Webb is understanding what type of manager we need.

Only unfortunate thing is his surname being too close to the departed manager....

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8 minutes ago, Nat King Goals said:

Whilst the idea of Tommy Wright returning, would IMO, be a great result, I think @tree house tam has confirmed previously that this will not happen.

On that basis, whilst I have championed Rhys McCabe in the past, and wouldn't be unhappy at that appointment, I reckon the standout appointment would be Peter Leven.

i know he turned down the Raith gig to stay at Aberdeen, but the togetherness, tactics, game management and results he achieved from a dire Aberdeen side in terms of confidence and bringing out the best in the players at his disposal, is for me, exactly what we need.

The very fact Thelin was desparate for Leven to stay at Aberdeen also speaks volumes.

i hope his name is on the list and at least make an effort to bring him in - it would show the fans that Webb is understanding what type of manager we need.

Only unfortunate thing is his surname being too close to the departed manager....

Unless they pick someone out of the blue, Leven and McGlynn are the stand outs for me. McCabe isn’t getting  results this season and would be untested at this level. Murray and Robbie Neilson would be the cheap and available options. Leven would be my choice. Took an Aberdeen team that was struggling and made them competitive. Not sure anybody could do that with our guys at the moment but playing them in the correct positions and being organised would be an improvement on where we are just now

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1 minute ago, johnoswald2712 said:

Unless they pick someone out of the blue, Leven and McGlynn are the stand outs for me. McCabe isn’t getting  results this season and would be untested at this level. Murray and Robbie Neilson would be the cheap and available options. Leven would be my choice. Took an Aberdeen team that was struggling and made them competitive. Not sure anybody could do that with our guys at the moment but playing them in the correct positions and being organised would be an improvement on where we are just now

Of those name I think only McGlynn has the experience to deal with a relegation battle. The one thing you can say about his teams is he’ll get the absolute best out of the players he has and they’ll give their all to the cause for him. Didn’t work out too badly last time he succeeded Levein in a job either… 

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1 minute ago, johnoswald2712 said:

Unless they pick someone out of the blue, Leven and McGlynn are the stand outs for me. McCabe isn’t getting  results this season and would be untested at this level. Murray and Robbie Neilson would be the cheap and available options. Leven would be my choice. Took an Aberdeen team that was struggling and made them competitive. Not sure anybody could do that with our guys at the moment but playing them in the correct positions and being organised would be an improvement on where we are just now

Neilson is not available 

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1 minute ago, Enigma said:

Of those name I think only McGlynn has the experience to deal with a relegation battle. The one thing you can say about his teams is he’ll get the absolute best out of the players he has and they’ll give their all to the cause for him.

And he'll overstock us in certain positions and leave a financial issue longer term if we achieve what he intends to.

I think we'll look at the EFL.

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3 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

And he'll overstock us in certain positions and leave a financial issue longer term if we achieve what he intends to.

I think we'll look at the EFL.

If you give him a free reign and don’t have proper oversight, then yeah.

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