Fullerene Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 There were 16.8 million people, in the UK, who voted Remain and in England and Wales they are denied a voice. Sure, the Liberal Democrats, Greens and Plaid Cymru are in favour of a second referendum but are any likely to win a General Election. Yes, Leave won the vote by 600,000 votes - less than 1% of the population. If Corbyn still wants to go ahead with Brexit then the obvious question is this: Why vote Labour if you are a Remain voter who seriously thinks Brexit will be a disaster for the UK that will obliterate everything else on Labour's agenda? I think a lot of people, including traditional Tory voters, voted for Labour in 2017 thinking it might be the best way to thwart Brexit. IMO, if Corbyn continues to back Brexit, a lot of Remain voters will not even bother to vote. Brexit is the number one issue and everything else on Corbyn's agenda is a distant second. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Just now, John Lambies Doos said: Scrap brexit now, revoke A50 and let's enjoy Christmas We could meet half way. The Scottish Nationalists agree not to ask for a kndyref 2 for a minimum of 20 years. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted December 24, 2018 Author Share Posted December 24, 2018 We could meet half way. The Scottish Nationalists agree not to ask for a kndyref 2 for a minimum of 20 years.Merry Christmas you servile craven tart.... Don't forget to doff your cap on way out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Just now, John Lambies Doos said: Just now, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said: We could meet half way. The Scottish Nationalists agree not to ask for a kndyref 2 for a minimum of 20 years. Merry Christmas you servile craven tart.... Don't forget to doff your cap on way out. Remember to curtsy to wee Nic's photo on your wall. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted December 24, 2018 Author Share Posted December 24, 2018 Remember to curtsy to wee Nic's photo on your wall.Every night old fruit, every night. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Just now, John Lambies Doos said: Just now, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said: Remember to curtsy to wee Nic's photo on your wall. Every night old fruit, every night. Touche. Servile and craven to the cause. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Labour may well lose some seats in their Brexit strongholds of the North of England for example, but reckon they would pick up a higher number of people now veering to remain if they backed an unequivocal withdrawal of A50. Yes it would be a calculated gamble but what have they got to lose? Being in same hopeless position as now? Genuine question. Is there any evidence that supports this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 We could meet half way. The Scottish Nationalists agree not to ask for a kndyref 2 for a minimum of 20 years.If they scrapped brexit and increased the scope of the Scottish parliament to full federal status, scrapped the house of lords i’d maybe consider that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted December 24, 2018 Author Share Posted December 24, 2018 If they scrapped brexit and increased the scope of the Scottish parliament to full federal status, scrapped the house of lords i’d maybe consider that. Just devolve the power so they don't have to ask. Servile tarts can watch from the sidelines. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue-Toon Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 3 hours ago, Fullerene said: There were 16.8 million people, in the UK, who voted Remain and in England and Wales they are denied a voice. Sure, the Liberal Democrats, Greens and Plaid Cymru are in favour of a second referendum but are any likely to win a General Election. Yes, Leave won the vote by 600,000 votes - less than 1% of the population. If Corbyn still wants to go ahead with Brexit then the obvious question is this: Why vote Labour if you are a Remain voter who seriously thinks Brexit will be a disaster for the UK that will obliterate everything else on Labour's agenda? I think a lot of people, including traditional Tory voters, voted for Labour in 2017 thinking it might be the best way to thwart Brexit. IMO, if Corbyn continues to back Brexit, a lot of Remain voters will not even bother to vote. Brexit is the number one issue and everything else on Corbyn's agenda is a distant second. Leave 17,410,742 votes - Remain 16,141,241 votes = 1,269,501 majority for Leave. Where do you get the 600,000 figure from? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Leave 17,410,742 votes - Remain 16,141,241 votes = 1,269,501 majority for Leave. Where do you get the 600,000 figure from?Presumably if 600,000 (slightly more than that actually) switched votes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 32 minutes ago, Blue-Toon said: Leave 17,410,742 votes - Remain 16,141,241 votes = 1,269,501 majority for Leave. Where do you get the 600,000 figure from? No idea, but the leavers represented 36% of the electorate. If potential voters are finally taking in the potential cost/benefit ratios of leave versus remain the importance of turning up to vote could change the numbers in a second referendum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: If they scrapped brexit and increased the scope of the Scottish parliament to full federal status, scrapped the house of lords i’d maybe consider that. I would happily go for that 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Genuine question. Is there any evidence that supports this? Genuine answer, no not that I’m aware of, just a feeling. Work takes me down south at least a couple of times a month. Talking to customers and suppliers or just having a chat in the pub, I seem to hear a recurring opinion that we’re going in the wrong direction. Also that given Parliament’s inability to resolve the problems associated with leaving and their consequences, perhaps we should have a serious rethink. Yes it would be a risk for Labour to change position, but I don’t think that towing the line will do them any favours if the sh*t hits the fan before the next GE. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EH75 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 11 minutes ago, RedRob72 said: Genuine answer, no not that I’m aware of, just a feeling. Work takes me down south at least a couple of times a month. Talking to customers and suppliers or just having a chat in the pub, I seem to hear a recurring opinion that we’re going in the wrong direction. Also that given Parliament’s inability to resolve the problems associated with leaving and their consequences, perhaps we should have a serious rethink. Yes it would be a risk for Labour to change position, but I don’t think that towing the line will do them any favours if the sh*t hits the fan before the next GE. Living down south unfortunately I don't get the same sort of response. It seems to be more of a "f*ck the EU, we won the war, let's leave and pay nothing" nonsense that prevails. Worrying.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 8 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: Problem with devo max is it doesn't get us out of another Iraq Seeing as our "Best in the World" army got humiliated in Basra and Helmund, probably for being asked to do far too much with far too little, and with America going isolationist apart from taking on China, and the disaster that was Libya, I doubt any Government is going to take on any major "boots on the ground" adventures soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbitterandgrumpy Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 6 hours ago, Jacksgranda said: All that needs to be done is mobilise those who didn't bother their arse voting the last time. I think you're right G D, this calls for politicians with courage and vision, so we're f*****, quite frankly. Politicians with courage and vision . . . dream on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, oldbitterandgrumpy said: Politicians with courage and vision . . . dream on. Hence my "so we're f*****". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbitterandgrumpy Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Jacksgranda said: Hence my "so we're f*****". Depressing . . . but, aye. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: OK. Yemeni blockade then. I can see the appeal of federalism but when one country has amoral foreign policy, I can't get on board with it. I want to be able to vote out any Scottish c**t that tries that. A step by step mode might be more effective though. It's a realistic chance that the SNP could hold the balance of power in future elections and demand more devolution, to the point where independence would seem more of a slight realignment to the wary than a revolution. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.