welshbairn Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 6 hours ago, Carl Cort's Hamstring said: Those journalistic geniuses at Breitbart have got an incredible scoop: Wouldn't surprise if Breitbart did it deliberately for clickbait. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheProgressiveLiberal Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 I rarely get mad about politics and always try to remember that the point is to convince other people to change their minds and not mistreat them. This is testing my limits. I think some Democrats might have literally gone mad. Trump must have broken their brains or something. http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/madison-mayor-paul-soglin-orders-removal-of-confederate-monuments-at/article_0cd509e6-3b6b-56ab-b05c-c693d84de05d.html Confederate POWs died of disease at a camp in Madison, Wisconsin. They were put in a mass grave. A marker was placed their to honor them. It's now been removed. http://www.wbur.org/artery/2017/08/16/boston-confederate-monument Same deal in Boston. They have a monument to 13 Confederate soldiers who died there as POWs. At least there's not dead bodies below this monument, I suppose. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 They fought for slavery. f**k them. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheProgressiveLiberal Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Look at the hatred of the white people and an obviously mentally ill black lady. Do we really want these people in charge of our society? This peaceful demonstrator who from this video looks like a nice young man has been kicked out of his conservative Christian university right before his senior year after this video went viral. http://www.pnj.com/story/news/2017/08/18/confederate-demonstrator-kicked-out-pensacola-christian-college/579978001/ Meanwhile, in Durham, NC a communist party member has been charged with felonies because she led a mob which illegally toppled a memorial to Confederate soldiers. Her university is planning on giving her a scholarship. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheProgressiveLiberal Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, Bully Wee Villa said: They fought for slavery. f**k them. It's very, very likely that not a single one of those soldiers owned a slave. They were captured by an invading army near their own home. Not quite so simple. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 I rarely get mad about politics Piss off.You've had three different accounts on here and you've been a seething mess on all of them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 ¡Oh, Swampy! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 13 minutes ago, TheProgressiveLiberal said: It's very, very likely that not a single one of those soldiers owned a slave. They were captured by an invading army near their own home. Not quite so simple. It was a slave economy in the South. No slaves, no war. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 (edited) 28 minutes ago, TheProgressiveLiberal said: It's very, very likely that not a single one of those soldiers owned a slave. They were captured by an invading army near their own home. Not quite so simple. Thought Wisconsin fought for the North? Quote In a January 1863 letter to his sister, Union soldier Chauncey Herbert Cooke, a private from Company G of the 25th Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry Regiment, gave his reasons for fighting for the Union in the war, stating that "I have no heart in this war if the slaves cannot go free."[2][3][4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_in_the_American_Civil_War Though I agree with you, I can see why Bannon is delighted by Trump's trolling, the reaction from Democrats has been to fuel the alt reich. Ripping out monuments for the war dead is not the way to counter white nationalists. I doubt many confederate soldiers considered the social issues before they went to war, my Dad hadn't heard of the death camps when he was conscripted for WW2. http://www.wisconsingazette.com/news/a-confederate-memorial-in-a-union-stronghold/article_72bd8158-7ecf-11e7-96af-836550738b8d.html Edited August 20, 2017 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 People still replying to swampy ffs 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Looks like the Progressive Liberal [emoji848] has been triggered [emoji41] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmothecat2 Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 What's happened, has he got himself banned again? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Sad to see the history of this great country being ripped apart by the removal of these beautiful statues and monuments. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarusQPFC Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 4 hours ago, Glenconner said: It was a slave economy in the South. No slaves, no war. Only a small percentage of people owned slaves, the rich and wealthy, I wonder how many of them went off to fight that war? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Just now, EdgarusQPFC said: Only a small percentage of people owned slaves, the rich and wealthy, I wonder how many of them went off to fight that war? How many people owned land in Poland, were descended from people who owned land in Poland or thought they would own lebensraum n Poland went into the Wermacht of 1939. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 12 minutes ago, EdgarusQPFC said: Only a small percentage of people owned slaves, the rich and wealthy, I wonder how many of them went off to fight that war? Good point. How come they didn't complain about scrounging slaves bringing down wages and join up with the North? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Worth remembering that most of those who fought and died for the Confederate States were conscripts. The draft dodgers, those who paid not to fight for the union (basically anybody wealthy enough) were just as morally corrupt as anybody fighting for the south. It wasn't so easy to avoid the draft in the south as it was the north. I can't agree with the desecration of Confederate war graves. We have a few thousand NAZI war graves here in the U.K. While it's undeniable a portion of these were probably nasty men and helped to enable all the worst horrors of WWII a portion will be normal people who fought on that side due to an accident of birth. For that reason we're not toppling these graves. I believe the same is true of the Confederate soldiers. The destruction of those statues glorifying Confederate leaders is an entirely different matter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Good point. How come they didn't complain about scrounging slaves bringing down wages and join up with the North? If I remember correctly New York State was very close to joining with the South. Largely due to the Irish immigrant population's fears of freed slaves coming north and undercutting them in the labour market. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Doubt anybody in the South didn't know a slave owner or see a slave market. There was 4/5 million slaves ffs, were they all in hiding. Most whites were directly affected by the slave economy to some degree. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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