strichener Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, MixuFixit said: If it gets worse in those circumstances it's entirely on the consciences of the republicans, who I don't believe are to a person evil like Trump & his circle. You're rationalising boiling a frog. The republicans are far-right compared to the Tories and yet we are to believe that all Tories are c***s but they are some soft, cuddly republicans. Right you are. Edited July 16, 2019 by strichener 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Reagan's last speech, schmaltzy but a love letter to immigrants. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R8QxCD6ir8 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Savage Henry said: American politics is inherently conservative. AOC is hardly saying anything that would be out of place in the Labour Party, or even the SNP. The SNP are promoting sterlingisation and another decade of austerity. That's literally the exact opposite of the Green New Deal and Job Guarantee AOC is campaigning for. Edited July 16, 2019 by Detournement 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Trump just says the quiet parts out loud. The overwhelming majority of Republicans are utter fucking ghouls. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said: Trump just says the quiet parts out loud. The overwhelming majority of Republicans are utter fucking ghouls. There's a guy at my work who is Scottish, but grew up in the States and went to school there. He's a nice guy, intelligent, good job, lovely family. But because of his American upbringing he's inherently right-wing and while not an outspoken supporter of Trump it's easy to recognise that he agrees with many of his policies. Whenever the subject like this....racism, foreigners etc....comes up in a group discussion he goes quiet, and I just know that inwardly he supports Trump's populist garbage. This guy is a middle-manager with a high end education. And yet he can't see what's wrong with this awful rhetoric. It's scary to realise that there are literally 10 of millions in the USA who feel the same way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said: There's a guy at my work who is Scottish, but grew up in the States and went to school there. He's a nice guy, intelligent, good job, lovely family. But because of his American upbringing he's inherently right-wing and while not an outspoken supporter of Trump it's easy to recognise that he agrees with many of his policies. Whenever the subject like this....racism, foreigners etc....comes up in a group discussion he goes quiet, and I just know that inwardly he supports Trump's populist garbage. This guy is a middle-manager with a high end education. And yet he can't see what's wrong with this awful rhetoric. It's scary to realise that there are literally 10 of millions in the USA who feel the same way. Millions get the fear of God pumped into them from an early age which is then aided by jingoism and an superiority complex of being the leaders of the free world, home of the brave etc..etc.. As most of their religious and political leaders are white men they just seem to believe they are the people. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 You couldn't make it up. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2019/jul/16/trump-news-today-live-racist-attack-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-resolution-republicans-latest racist /ˈreɪsɪst/ 1. a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 It's weird that people are debating whether or not he's racist. Every President has been a racist. The USA has been a racist endeavour since day one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, Detournement said: It's weird that people are debating whether or not he's racist. Every President has been a racist. The USA has been a racist endeavour since day one. Barack Obama was a racist? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Blades Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Barack Obama was a racist?Fuzzy Wuzzy was a woman? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 5 hours ago, welshbairn said: If Pelosi had blocked the border funding the situation would be even worse for the asylum seekers. It's like closing down the Government because you didn't get exactly what you want in a funding bill, fine bit of virtue signalling but everyone loses. Do you really think Trump would tone it down if impeachment proceedings started that he knew had zero chance of succeeding? He'd fucking love it, as would his base. Treating the concentration camps on the border as just a funding problem and not a deliberate design lets the Republicans and ICE off the hook for barbaric treatment of migrants and refugees. It's also assuming that ICE are going to put this money to any beneficial use for those in their care and not just to expand their operations to stop more people crossing the border. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 32 minutes ago, renton said: Barack Obama was a racist? Racist against whites! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Treating the concentration camps on the border as just a funding problem and not a deliberate design lets the Republicans and ICE off the hook for barbaric treatment of migrants and refugees. It's also assuming that ICE are going to put this money to any beneficial use for those in their care and not just to expand their operations to stop more people crossing the border. The Democrats only control the House. The Republicans control the Senate and the White House. All they can do until January 2021 is try to mitigate the damage and make sure they win the election. They can't get anything done without the support of moderate Republicans. If they try to block bipartisan efforts to lessen the harm, they'll put Trump right back in the White House. Virtue signalling is great for the soul but it doesn't help the people you're trying to protect. Edited July 16, 2019 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Just now, welshbairn said: The Democrats only control the House. The Republicans control the Senate and the White House. All they can do until January 2021 is try to mitigate the damage and make sure they win the election. If they try to block bipartisan efforts to lessen the harm, they'll put Trump right back in the White House. People said this about the Republicans during the Obama administration and it didn't work out that way. It's maddening to see Republicans like Mitch McConnell work out how the system works while moderate Dems bleat about bipartisanship and reaching across the divide. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, NotThePars said: People said this about the Republicans during the Obama administration and it didn't work out that way. It's maddening to see Republicans like Mitch McConnell work out how the system works while moderate Dems bleat about bipartisanship and reaching across the divide. If the Republicans hadn't spent so much wasted effort on Benghazigate, they might have blocked Obamacare, the Iran deal and Dreamers amnesty( or whatever they called it). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Whistle loud enough and the dogs will come. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, welshbairn said: If the Republicans hadn't spent so much wasted effort on Benghazigate, they might have blocked Obamacare, the Iran deal and Dreamers amnesty( or whatever they called it). That's not the point I'm making. It's that the best option in opposition is to blindly oppose the leading party and bank on the voters revolting against the governing party to get back into government. It's worked for the Republicans so far and it looked like it was doing well for the Dems during the shutdown. Edited July 16, 2019 by NotThePars 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 That's not the point I'm making. It's that the best option in opposition is to blindly oppose the leading party and bank on the voters revolting against the governing party. It's worked for the Republicans so far and it looked like it was doing well for the Dems during the shutdown. Unfortunately, or fortunately, I think the Dems have to act differently in opposition. The Democrats alienate more of the middle ground more easily. That’s why Trump is focused so much on AOC. On the other hand, the GOP can simply play the libertarian card and cry “big government” for absolutely everything and largely get away with it.Any competent candidate from the centre can wipe the floor with Trump, yet Pelosi seems hell bent on publicising the differences between the Progressive and the traditional wings of the Democrats. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, NotThePars said: That's not the point I'm making. It's that the best option in opposition is to blindly oppose the leading party and bank on the voters revolting against the governing party to get back into government. It's worked for the Republicans so far and it looked like it was doing well for the Dems during the shutdown. They won the shutdown because they got Trump to own it live on camera. That was the Democrats brilliantly working the system. When the Republicans closed down the Government in Obama's time, they got the blame. If the Democrats block everything they will get the blame. They have to choose battles they can win. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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