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25 minutes ago, Eye Valley said:

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....... "and all follow through with their applications."

This will cover the Linlithgow situation, pending their Members meeting. And possibly the other two (clubs) which have not yet confirmed their application ? Any more club meetings scheduled before 7/6/18  which are known ?  

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8 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

Simple way to do that is have 2 sets. Set 1 =15 clubs (Hawick as 1, EOS 2-13 in order with Dunipace  14 & Inverkeithing 15)

Set 2 = 24 east juniors in order

Ok, done it that way as well with both splitting methods:

Sequential:

Conference A Conference B Conference C
Hawick Royal Albert Lothian Thistle Hutchison Vale Preston Athletic
Leith Athletic Tynecastle Heriot-Watt University
Peebles Rovers Burntisland Shipyard Stirling University Reserves
Coldstream Eyemouth United Ormiston
Tweedmouth Rangers Dunipace Inverkeithing Hillfield Swifts
Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic Linlithgow Rose Penicuik Athletic
Dundonald Bluebell Broxburn Athletic Hill of Beath Hawthorn
Bo'ness United Camelon Juniors Newtongrange Star
Sauchie Juniors* Jeanfield Swifts Musselburgh Athletic
Haddington Athletic Blackburn United Dunbar United
Tranent St Andrews United Arniston Rangers
Dalkeith Thistle Edinburgh United Oakley United*
Crossgates Primrose Craigroyston Easthouses Lily MW

Snake:

Conference A Conference B Conference C
Hawick Royal Albert Lothian Thistle Hutchison Vale Preston Athletic
Heriot-Watt University Tynecastle Leith Athletic
Peebles Rovers Burntisland Shipyard Stirling University Reserves
Ormiston Eyemouth United Coldstream
Tweedmouth Rangers Dunipace Inverkeithing Hillfield Swifts
Penicuik Athletic Linlithgow Rose Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic
Dundonald Bluebell Broxburn Athletic Hill of Beath Hawthorn
Newtongrange Star Camelon Juniors Bo'ness United
Sauchie Juniors* Jeanfield Swifts Musselburgh Athletic
Haddington Athletic Blackburn United Dunbar United
Arniston Rangers St Andrews United Tranent
Dalkeith Thistle Edinburgh United Oakley United*
Easthouses Lily MW Craigroyston Crossgates Primrose
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17 minutes ago, Ginaro said:

Ok, done it that way as well with both splitting methods:

Sequential:

Conference A Conference B Conference C
Hawick Royal Albert Lothian Thistle Hutchison Vale Preston Athletic
Leith Athletic Tynecastle Heriot-Watt University
Peebles Rovers Burntisland Shipyard Stirling University Reserves
Coldstream Eyemouth United Ormiston
Tweedmouth Rangers Dunipace Inverkeithing Hillfield Swifts
Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic Linlithgow Rose Penicuik Athletic
Dundonald Bluebell Broxburn Athletic Hill of Beath Hawthorn
Bo'ness United Camelon Juniors Newtongrange Star
Sauchie Juniors* Jeanfield Swifts Musselburgh Athletic
Haddington Athletic Blackburn United Dunbar United
Tranent St Andrews United Arniston Rangers
Dalkeith Thistle Edinburgh United Oakley United*
Crossgates Primrose Craigroyston Easthouses Lily MW

Snake:

Conference A Conference B Conference C
Hawick Royal Albert Lothian Thistle Hutchison Vale Preston Athletic
Heriot-Watt University Tynecastle Leith Athletic
Peebles Rovers Burntisland Shipyard Stirling University Reserves
Ormiston Eyemouth United Coldstream
Tweedmouth Rangers Dunipace Inverkeithing Hillfield Swifts
Penicuik Athletic Linlithgow Rose Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic
Dundonald Bluebell Broxburn Athletic Hill of Beath Hawthorn
Newtongrange Star Camelon Juniors Bo'ness United
Sauchie Juniors* Jeanfield Swifts Musselburgh Athletic
Haddington Athletic Blackburn United Dunbar United
Arniston Rangers St Andrews United Tranent
Dalkeith Thistle Edinburgh United Oakley United*
Easthouses Lily MW Craigroyston Crossgates Primrose

A like the look of your Conference A groups. Hopefully more money from the SFA for member clubs as they get excess amount from them each season if I am not mistakened.

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33 minutes ago, Ginaro said:

Ok, done it that way as well with both splitting methods:

Sequential:

Conference A Conference B Conference C
Hawick Royal Albert Lothian Thistle Hutchison Vale Preston Athletic
Leith Athletic Tynecastle Heriot-Watt University
Peebles Rovers Burntisland Shipyard Stirling University Reserves
Coldstream Eyemouth United Ormiston
Tweedmouth Rangers Dunipace Inverkeithing Hillfield Swifts
Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic Linlithgow Rose Penicuik Athletic
Dundonald Bluebell Broxburn Athletic Hill of Beath Hawthorn
Bo'ness United Camelon Juniors Newtongrange Star
Sauchie Juniors* Jeanfield Swifts Musselburgh Athletic
Haddington Athletic Blackburn United Dunbar United
Tranent St Andrews United Arniston Rangers
Dalkeith Thistle Edinburgh United Oakley United*
Crossgates Primrose Craigroyston Easthouses Lily MW

Snake:

Conference A Conference B Conference C
Hawick Royal Albert Lothian Thistle Hutchison Vale Preston Athletic
Heriot-Watt University Tynecastle Leith Athletic
Peebles Rovers Burntisland Shipyard Stirling University Reserves
Ormiston Eyemouth United Coldstream
Tweedmouth Rangers Dunipace Inverkeithing Hillfield Swifts
Penicuik Athletic Linlithgow Rose Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic
Dundonald Bluebell Broxburn Athletic Hill of Beath Hawthorn
Newtongrange Star Camelon Juniors Bo'ness United
Sauchie Juniors* Jeanfield Swifts Musselburgh Athletic
Haddington Athletic Blackburn United Dunbar United
Arniston Rangers St Andrews United Tranent
Dalkeith Thistle Edinburgh United Oakley United*
Easthouses Lily MW Craigroyston Crossgates Primrose

I'd go for your "snake" method. That looks the most balanced to me. It still throws up some good ties, like LTHV v Linlithgow Rose.

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36 minutes ago, Ginaro said:

Ok, done it that way as well with both splitting methods:

Sequential:

Conference A Conference B Conference C
Hawick Royal Albert Lothian Thistle Hutchison Vale Preston Athletic
Leith Athletic Tynecastle Heriot-Watt University
Peebles Rovers Burntisland Shipyard Stirling University Reserves
Coldstream Eyemouth United Ormiston
Tweedmouth Rangers Dunipace Inverkeithing Hillfield Swifts
Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic Linlithgow Rose Penicuik Athletic
Dundonald Bluebell Broxburn Athletic Hill of Beath Hawthorn
Bo'ness United Camelon Juniors Newtongrange Star
Sauchie Juniors* Jeanfield Swifts Musselburgh Athletic
Haddington Athletic Blackburn United Dunbar United
Tranent St Andrews United Arniston Rangers
Dalkeith Thistle Edinburgh United Oakley United*
Crossgates Primrose Craigroyston Easthouses Lily MW

Snake:

Conference A Conference B Conference C
Hawick Royal Albert Lothian Thistle Hutchison Vale Preston Athletic
Heriot-Watt University Tynecastle Leith Athletic
Peebles Rovers Burntisland Shipyard Stirling University Reserves
Ormiston Eyemouth United Coldstream
Tweedmouth Rangers Dunipace Inverkeithing Hillfield Swifts
Penicuik Athletic Linlithgow Rose Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic
Dundonald Bluebell Broxburn Athletic Hill of Beath Hawthorn
Newtongrange Star Camelon Juniors Bo'ness United
Sauchie Juniors* Jeanfield Swifts Musselburgh Athletic
Haddington Athletic Blackburn United Dunbar United
Arniston Rangers St Andrews United Tranent
Dalkeith Thistle Edinburgh United Oakley United*
Easthouses Lily MW Craigroyston Crossgates Primrose

Thanks for doing that. Was wondering what they would look like compared.

They've both got their pros & cons. The only true positive is that its a good problem for the EoS to have and it'll sort itself out in the long term. I'd rather deal with this than the years wasted wondering how integration would work. Which, unfortunately, still rumbles on in the West & North.

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So does that make it 33 clubs in the Alex Jack cup? Hawick, Coldstream, Preston Ath, Burntisland, Bonnyrigg and Linlithgow being in the Scottish cup.

It makes the AJ pretty lucrative for all the clubs chasing licencing

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3 minutes ago, calmac25 said:

So does that make it 33 clubs in the Alex Jack cup? Hawick, Coldstream, Preston Ath, Burntisland, Bonnyrigg and Linlithgow being in the Scottish cup.

It makes the AJ pretty lucrative for all the clubs chasing licencing

31 - Tyncastle are also in the Scottish Cup and no Stirling Uni reserves.

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3 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

Maybe 32 given there have been claims from some that LTHV got their licence last month.

Wasn't there something about Heriot-Watt Uni getting licenced at the same time LTHV were meant to have gotten theirs? Because there was some confusion over 2 applications being accepted. Which was later confirmed to be Dalkeith and Blackburn starting the ball rolling, but at the time taken as LTHV and Heriot-Watt.

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I forgot about Tynecastle (and the reserves)so thanks.

It feels a bit of a shame for some of the smaller EoS teams whose opportunity to qualify for the Scottish cup now looks almost impossible

I hope for next season there will be more qualifying places on offer, maybe top 2 in each of the 3 conferences

31 - Tyncastle are also in the Scottish Cup and no Stirling Uni reserves.
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1 minute ago, FairWeatherFan said:

Wasn't there something about Heriot-Watt Uni getting licenced at the same time LTHV were meant to have gotten theirs? Because there was some confusion over 2 applications being accepted. Which was later confirmed to be Dalkeith and Blackburn starting the ball rolling, but at the time taken as LTHV and Heriot-Watt.

There was also Tom Thornton the Haddington guy on twitter who may or may not have been Old Northerner on here saying he was told they had got their licence OK when he went to one of their games just before the end of the season.

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4 minutes ago, calmac25 said:

I forgot about Tynecastle (and the reserves)so thanks.

It feels a bit of a shame for some of the smaller EoS teams whose opportunity to qualify for the Scottish cup now looks almost impossible

I hope for next season there will be more qualifying places on offer, maybe top 2 in each of the 3 conferences

To be fair, I think the vast majority of ex-junior sides will go straight for licensing, maybe next season already the bigger ex-juniors won't be in the AJ cup anymore.

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5 minutes ago, calmac25 said:

It feels a bit of a shame for some of the smaller EoS teams whose opportunity to qualify for the Scottish cup now looks almost impossible

I hope for next season there will be more qualifying places on offer, maybe top 2 in each of the 3 conferences

More teams will be licenced including some of the smaller EoS teams. The likes of Hawick were traditionally bottom of EoS First Division for all those years they rand two tiers, and they managed to get licenced. It's not out of the realms of possibility for the majority of clubs.

3 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

There was also Tom Thornton the Haddington guy on twitter who may or may not have been Old Northerner on here saying he was told they had got their licence OK when he went to one of their games just before the end of the season.

I remember that as well. I'm not sure why it's not been announced as the SFA club licensing list was updated on the 10th May and neither LTHV or Heriot-Watt are on it.

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9 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

There was also Tom Thornton the Haddington guy on twitter who may or may not have been Old Northerner on here saying he was told they had got their licence OK when he went to one of their games just before the end of the season.

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish-fa/football-governance/club-licensing/

As at the  last Licencing up-date, 10th May 2018, there were no clubs showing as newly licenced.

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On 31/05/2018 at 16:15, gogsy said:

Imacelebrity was the one that posted that Oakley had applied, i think hes trolling and wouldn't be surprised if hes an alt of the poster that has had numerous aliases on here. I will be quite happy to apologise if im proved wrong and Oakley have applied.

We have definitely applied trust me. silence from the club is frustrating to say to least we should just come out and make a statement.

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5 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said:

...and they can use league cup sections to maintain local derbies

Assuming no more applicants, and no clubs not completing their application  its 3x13 conferences = 24 League games for 2018/19 . 

I would therefore suggestion that the League Cup is played on the basis of 8 groups each with 5 clubs (40), with an invited extra club to make up the numbers (for the Cup only). So how about inviting ONE of following ?

*  Threave Rovers  (as SoSL champions)

* Duns  (as ex-members, whose apparent  aim is to return to the EoSL in the not too distant future)

* the amateur club which enquired/applied (apparently either St Bernards  Mussleburgh Windsor) in case they might apply again next season)

* Glasgow University (SFA Member club)

Of course, the obvious invitee would be Clydebank, as their application for the EoSL was accepted & deferred for a year (ground problem). But  the SJFA would not allow them to participate under any circumstances).

If you support Club 40 and 8 equal Cup Groups,  VOTE NOW for your choice from the above..............

 

 

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Hi there, 

i understand how the leagues could potentially be seeded for the move to the EOS with the current EOS teams but is there any clarification with the leagues in terms of promotions/relegations or will all the conference leagues be treated equally and be playoffs? I hope you understand the question.

 

cheers

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They don't actually know how many they will actually need to fill 16 places.
1 or possibly 2 clubs could exit to Lowland. A couple could be relegated into eos.
I suspect top 5 in each conference is likely and then juggling if required.

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As 13 team leagues will only give a 24 game season there is flexibility to have a full playoff at the end to rank all clubs 1-39.

Home and Away it would be an extra 4 games each to play the other clubs in the same position or just 2 games each extra with one home and one away game. 

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