The Hibernian Thread

[Alan Stubbs]

He completely sacked it in once we were on easy street but I really liked Holt for most of that season. He didn't score much but his strike partner did just about every time. Jason Cummings' entire career since has had a (very large) Grant Holt shaped hole in it.

His move to professional wrestling is also one of the best use of a transferable skill you'll see from football. His diving was an absolute joy to watch.

[Wee-Bey]

Given that we've just lost 7, we're going to need at least that tbh.

[tamthebam]

2 hours ago, Bohemian said:

30 years ago on this day.......

Pat Stanton kissing the hallowed turf is another iconic image from that day.

I remember that there were some Hearts fans at the rally- I think they hated Mercer too!

[Ric]

7 hours ago, Crawford Bridge said:

Get yersel' tae f**k.

 

7 hours ago, Genuine Hibs Fan said:

A broken clock can be right on the odd occasion and no matter how you slice it, Stubbs has been a monumental failure at every club except Hibs. He absolutely shat the bed with us.

My main point was about Stewart anyway, not that fucking scouse shitgibbon.

[Wee-Bey]

5 hours ago, tamthebam said:

Pat Stanton kissing the hallowed turf is another iconic image from that day.

I remember that there were some Hearts fans at the rally- I think they hated Mercer too!

Was it not Joe Baker that kissed the turf ?

Famously, John Robertson was there to lend his support.

I was there but was obviously pretty young so remember little of the day itself.

[Bohemian]

Was going to say does anyone remember this day? A few lads showing their age ha

[Bohemian]

Hibs are believed to have held talks with at least one club over his transfer, with any deal set to be completed in instalments

Kamberi 

 

[tamthebam]

1 hour ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said:

Was it not Joe Baker that kissed the turf ?

Famously, John Robertson was there to lend his support.

I was there but was obviously pretty young so remember little of the day itself.

Maybe you're right. I'm sure Stanton made a speech. I was there that day.

I still laugh at a comment in a Jambos fanzine at the time about the possible value of the Hibs players were they to be flogged off post merger;

"Alan Sneddon (£50,000): £50,000 for a one eyed coffin dodger?! Do me a favour, I'd rather buy the pie stalls."

[Zing.]

15 minutes ago, Bohemian said:

Hibs are believed to have held talks with at least one club over his transfer, with any deal set to be completed in instalments

Kamberi 

 

That sounds like a *** type deal. 250k spread over 10 years.

[Lebowski]

Thinking about the Stewart story there, how many signings do folk think Hibs need/may sign this summer? Hard to have a good idea as it's unclear how affected our budget will be, and guys we might try to negotiate a release for (hi Tom James!) will rather sit on their contracts.
We only have one senior goalie, so one of them. Porteous and Jackson with Hanlon, McGregor, McGinn and Stirling as support looks decent for centre half. I'd want new 1st choices for both fullbacks, but with Gray, McGinn and James on the right and Mackie coming back from Dundee, we have bodies (if not quality) on both sides so might not be a priority. Midfield need an anchor and an energetic box to  box guy, and at least one striker and another winger.
So for me that's:
GK, RB - Naismith? Not incredible but a handy player with a lot of good attributes. LB. Anchor man - Gogic would be an obvious one but haven't seen that suggested anywhere other than on here. Box to Box midfielder - in a fantasy world we swap Kamberi for Docherty. Striker - Stewart. Winger - No ideas really. So 7 in total coming in, some absolutely needed some in an ideal world
Would give us a full strength squad of 
Marciano
Naismith Jackson Porteous New LB
Allan Gogic Docherty
Boyle Doidge Horgan
New GK McGinn Hanlon Halberg/Newell/Mallan/Murray (pick any two) New Winger/Forward Stewart
Fanciful and juvenile exercise I know but I'm bored as f**k of no football at this point. 

Honestly will be a bit surprised if we sign anyone. There's been an enormous financial hit taken which I don't think has been fully understood. The loss of income for 2019/20 and for an indeterminate period of 2020/21 isn't coming back, that's going to have to be factored in to any budget.

The only way I see us signing anyone is by punting a couple of the most valuable players and using that to make up the losses. You'd think Kamberi would be one of them, but I'm unconvinced the fee for him will come close to covering it all. Our most sellable player is probably Porteous. Would be gutted if he left, but there might be no option.

However, if we do that, I'd imagine that a lot of players will be available as free agents for not very high wages at all.

[Bohemian]

4 minutes ago, Zing. said:

That sounds like a *** type deal. 250k spread over 10 years.

Definitely.. but someone said sevco weren't too impressed with him. 

[Wee-Bey]

5 minutes ago, tamthebam said:

Maybe you're right. I'm sure Stanton made a speech. I was there that day.

I still laugh at a comment in a Jambos fanzine at the time about the possible value of the Hibs players were they to be flogged off post merger;

"Alan Sneddon (£50,000): £50,000 for a one eyed coffin dodger?! Do me a favour, I'd rather buy the pie stalls."

Never knew this until this article, it was Jim McLean who valued the players.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/creative-accountancy-how-jim-mclean-and-others-were-unlikely-saviours-hibs-wallace-mercer-circled-2873914

[tamthebam]

Not the best of photos (had a wee, crap camera back then) but this is the rally.

I must have been standing in the East terrace that day.

[Genuine Hibs Fan]

10 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

Honestly will be a bit surprised if we sign anyone. There's been an enormous financial hit taken which I don't think has been fully understood. The loss of income for 2019/20 and for an indeterminate period of 2020/21 isn't coming back, that's going to have to be factored in to any budget.

The only way I see us signing anyone is by punting a couple of the most valuable players and using that to make up the losses. You'd think Kamberi would be one of them, but I'm unconvinced the fee for him will come close to covering it all. Our most sellable player is probably Porteous. Would be gutted if he left, but there might be no option.

However, if we do that, I'd imagine that a lot of players will be available as free agents for not very high wages at all.

You may well be right. Got to hope big Ron is happy to splash the cash to an extent. Even in a worst case scenario I think not signing anyone is a bit of a stretch.

[Bohemian]

5 minutes ago, Genuine Hibs Fan said:

You may well be right. Got to hope big Ron is happy to splash the cash to an extent. Even in a worst case scenario I think not signing anyone is a bit of a stretch.

Surely it will all be relative to what others are spending. What I mean is I cant see other clubs spending much so we just have to get better quality in than them without spending fortunes. Or is that too simple ha?

[Wee-Bey]

We've sold a decent amount of season tickets and Big Ron put some money in last year.

It's not ideal, but I think we'll be better off than most.

[The Grass Is Greener.]

Purely with the number of season tickets sold and the amount of money freed up with players finishing loans and players being released we’ll be a lot better of than most. 
 

It’s very important we have a good summer transfer window. We can’t be counting on January to save us again. 

[Snifter Pee Rot]

Was there at the HoH day in 90 with a mate. Remember a chant of Mercer GTF after Kenny McLean first said a few words. Joe Baker kissing the turf and Proclaimers going round the touchlines. The feeling against Mercer was intense. I'd been a part time fan before that but was a reg afterwards.  I know most hearts fan were against whatever insanity Mercer was up to but it defo turned up the heat on the rivalry, not helped by us being incapable of beating them. Three derbies stick in my mind from then, the 0-3 at half time when there was fighting on the terraces and a boy charged Robbo on the pitch (I knew the guy that ran on), then the cup game when we'd battered them only for wee Foster to smash n grab.  Was a whole load of paggering after that.  Even going to that game I'd witnessed a couple hearts being set upon by ccs while getting out their car in Leith Walk. The day we beat them 1-0 at Tynecastle I was walking up Dundee Street after the game and was called a f*nian B by some wee scrubber.  Then later on that night I was in a bus going back along Gorgie when a fight erupted, was actually a Hibs mob that started it. The driver pulled up and bolted.  After the Hunter game it all simmered back down. I will never have a good word to say about evil b*****d Mercer but he was thwarted and the club put in safe hands. 

Edited June 9, 2020 by Snifter Pee Rot

[Lebowski]

We've sold a decent amount of season tickets and Big Ron put some money in last year.
It's not ideal, but I think we'll be better off than most.

Tbh mate, this is kindae what I'm talking about. A decent number of season tickets absolutely. But it's a third less than last season. And those ST holder going to games and buying stuff the club makes cash out of aren't attending games. There's no gate money at all. Even if we're to put a very positive imagining of Hibs finances together and base it off season tickets we've dropped a third of our income, and that's a best case. We haven't dropped a third of our costs,even with loan players leaving.

I don't think we'll be in any danger as a club, but I do think that our squad this season will have some more players leaving and not being replaced. The owner might well be willing to put money in, but at the moment that's looking like a complete money sink and I have doubts he'd do that. If you've got a firm endpoint then there would be a willingness to do that I think, but we don't know remotely when the club will start to actually generate any income again. Could be October. Could be January. We could get locked down again and this all starts again from the beginning. I don't think putting cash in to cover running costs is something which he'd be willing to fund indefinitely.

The one other thing I'd say is that the problems I think we'll be having will be similar to Hearts and Aberdeen. And dwarfed by Celtic and Rangers issues.

[AberdeenHibee]

9 hours ago, The Grass Is Greener. said:

Purely with the number of season tickets sold and the amount of money freed up with players finishing loans and players being released we’ll be a lot better of than most. 
 

It’s very important we have a good summer transfer window. We can’t be counting on January to save us again. 

I think we will be in for the most bizarre transfer window in some time.  Every club will need to scale back their ambitions and cut their cloth accordingly (well, unless you are Sevco or Hearts where financial obligations are not a concern).  But when I say every club, that means the massively bloated English leagues etc as well - I have a feeling, whilst we will have less to spend, there will be a good chance to pick up some real gems and the pool of quality free agents will be a lot bigger. 

Edited June 10, 2020 by AberdeenHibee