Ginaro Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 To expand on the North pyramid below the HL - see images. The North Superleague teams are in the Aberdeenshire area so the Tayside clubs could join them at tier 6 - same as going to Edinburgh every other week. Do a bit of reshuffling to make it a 16 team league, then add on the current North Junior regional leagues and the rest of the Tayside clubs below for tier 7. You could even create a North Div 1 North for the North Caledonia League teams. I don't know the relative strengths of the North Juniors versus the Tayside clubs, anyone able to help out? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Roker Rover said: There is no way you would set your system up like this if it was starting now, so why continue with it just because that's what you have always done? No, you wouldn't set it up like that, but you have to deal with the world as it is, and arguably it's worked well for both in the past.. Until very, very recently the Juniors had much better teams, much bigger supports and much more money than the non-league seniors. Any big Junior club making the jump would have been taking a serious step backwards. The senior non-league clubs liked being in the SFA and being buds with the SFL, and they had ambitions to get into the big leagues (as Gretna and Annan did, and as Spartans fruitlessly applied for a few times). The two grades wanted different things, and the fans of each grade looked down on the other because of the things they wanted. While there are clubs that are exceptions, there is genuinely a cultural difference between the two grades. It's only now that the LL is gaining in quality and credibility - and, crucially, has access to cash - that this has become an issue at all. The EoS league is still a much lower level than the upper ends of the Juniors, as is evidenced by Kelty Hearts winning all-but one match and averaging nearly 6 goals per game, so it's pretty unappealing to most of the bigger Junior clubs. In the west the Ayrshire clubs don't fancy the LL because of the travelling distances. That's where we are and for those who want the non-league grades to merge, there needs to be an acceptance of that and a willingness to sell the idea to those currently not convinced. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 Again for the record, that's Blackburn confirmed they've notified SJFA of their departure: The full list: (updated with self confirmations) Blackburn United (website) Bonnyrigg Rose Camelon Juniors Crossgates Primrose (facebook) Dalkeith Thistle (website) Dunipace (facebook) Easthouses Lily (twitter) Edinburgh United (facebook) Haddington Athletic (facebook) Hill of Beath Hawthorn (twitter) Hillfield Swifts (twitter) Musselburgh Athletic Tranent 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLad Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 What was actually decided at the East Region meeting the other night, about league reconstruction? The number of clubs is pretty much known. Any news? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo'ness Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 1 hour ago, cmontheloknow said: Again for the record, that's Blackburn confirmed they've notified SJFA of their departure: The full list: (updated with self confirmations) Blackburn United (website) Bonnyrigg Rose Camelon Juniors Crossgates Primrose (facebook) Dalkeith Thistle (website) Dunipace (facebook) Easthouses Lily (twitter) Edinburgh United (facebook) Haddington Athletic (facebook) Hill of Beath Hawthorn (twitter) Hillfield Swifts (twitter) Musselburgh Athletic Tranent They may not have made an official notification but Camelon seem to be preparing for a different level if their pie hut prices are anything to go by! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 11 hours ago, Robert James said: You may be right, as I have no inside information as to the macinations of the SJFA or the SFA/PWG. One thing is certain however is that the EoSL has the right to advertise vacancies, and will undoubtedly continue to do so into the future. Clubs decide whether they wish to apply, regardless as to whether they are Members of the SJFA, the Scottish Amateur FA, or the Scottish Welfare FA, etc........ The PWG will have a challenging brief. If, in the long run, a feeder league was established beneath the EoS League, whether that was run by the SJFA, amateurs or some other organisation, the EoS would no longer be able to advertise vacancies, because it wouldn't have any. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Heid Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 That's not the case Robert. The top juniors are entering at tier 6. You can dispute that and you can disagree with it but that's the statement that's been issued by the SJFA. There is a risk that some of it might not look pretty but it's the job of the PWG to sort the aesthetics. So I'd argue that your presumption assumes that the SJFA - a component part of the SFA - is calling this wrong. Entering at Tier 6 via the SJFA is still no more than a suggestion for 19/20 at the earliest.There are no guarantees we as a club would qualify if we perform like 16/17 season.There was an opportunity to guarantee Tier 6 by moving to EoS for 18/19.But all of the above can't be guaranteed as at no point have we put the options to members.That's despite ensuring our park is of required standards with the upgrade of the floodlights.So we are currently sitting dressed for the party but not going. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombrown Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 Craigkillie. dont think the e.o.s advertised or contacted any junior clubs.they ( juniors) contacted the e.o.s. thats the difference. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, craigkillie said: Copy the system used in the north of England. "If in the long run......." The north east has been the biggest problem for the English pyramid since it was established in 1987, and with clubs declining to fully integrate. Thirty years on, it is still problematic, as suggested by the Roker Rover. Would not be a good example for Scottish non league clubs to follow.. Edited May 3, 2018 by Robert James 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 58 minutes ago, Auld Heid said: Entering at Tier 6 via the SJFA is still no more than a suggestion for 19/20 at the earliest. There are no guarantees we as a club would qualify if we perform like 16/17 season. There was an opportunity to guarantee Tier 6 by moving to EoS for 18/19. But all of the above can't be guaranteed as at no point have we put the options to members. That's despite ensuring our park is of required standards with the upgrade of the floodlights. So we are currently sitting dressed for the party but not going. I hope that the West Juniors do join at Tier 6, and likewise in those in the North Region, if a solution an be found to the Tayside boundary problem. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Auld Heid said: Entering at Tier 6 via the SJFA is still no more than a suggestion for 19/20 at the earliest. There are no guarantees we as a club would qualify if we perform like 16/17 season. It was an absolute commitment from the SJFA based on the fact that this was the SFA's own proposal. If that commitment turns out to not be true then 150 clubs have been completely misled. Others have argued that the authorities (all of them) are not in a position to make that commitment but they have nonetheless and I for one fully expect to hold them to account on it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilbowie Benches Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 An absolute commitment can’t be given on the basis of a questionnaire which had multiple options on it! There will have to be a vote at the proposed SJFA egm and that will need to be a firm proposal that’s been agreed to by the SFA pyramid working group. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 8 minutes ago, Kilbowie Benches said: An absolute commitment can’t be given on the basis of a questionnaire which had multiple options on it! There will have to be a vote at the proposed SJFA egm and that will need to be a firm proposal that’s been agreed to by the SFA pyramid working group. I accept it needs ratified at the egm but that's a question of the 150 clubs signing something off on an internal basis. If that doesn't happen then I think you'll see the whole thing fracture completely. I don't know how the meeting with the west teams went - I've not seen any comments of note about that meeting on here - but the clubs in the east were given some very strong indicators. They'll need to be delivered or the game's up the pole. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombrown Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 And that working group meets next week.(p.w.g.) to discuss a way forward only think there will be more than just 1 or 2 meetings to agree anything. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluenortherner Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 There are mutterings on the SOSL site that Wigtown & Bladnoch, Creetown and Lochmaben are not competing next season. I really hope this is not true! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitburn Vale Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 Looks like the East Region juniors are going for 3 leagues. A Super League and a Northern Premier and a Southern Premier. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 20 minutes ago, Whitburn Vale said: Looks like the East Region juniors are going for 3 leagues. A Super League and a Northern Premier and a Southern Premier. Considering the defections,the prefix 'Not So' might have been appropriate for the top grouping. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 19 hours ago, Jason King said: You've just reinforced my point. Thanks. Apart from that your post was the usual bile dripping contempt that you continually show for anyone who doesn't agree with you. Either Junior clubs move on their own or the SJFA move everyone into the pyramid, the "grade" that you are obsessed with is dead either way - why don't you and the others in your red dotting cabal understand this? That's not me running a supposed hatchet job or any of the emotive words you are so keen on using in support of a doomed edifice, that's a reading of the statement from the SJFA. Red dotting cabal? Irony of ironies! So, how does an admission that crowds in the Juniors are not what they were in the 80s a reinforcement of your point? Crowds are down all round in Scotland and it is absolutely not exclusive to Junior Football. It would be great to recapture the days when a Talbot Cumnock league match attracted 3000, but as has been discussed there are so many more distractions and all grades have a difficult job to maintain and attract consistent regular crowds. The top Juniors, and in particular my club, do not bad at all. So with you and the organ grinder continually purporting such myth like crumbling stadiums a low crowds, to promote a grade with virtually no crowds and uninspiring stadiums, I think some antidote to such blatant propaganda is in order. So to folks reading this ruse of a thread a word to the good, Junior Football is the biggest section of the non league sector, it has the biggest clubs with the biggest crowd pulling potential, it should never be discarded or deserted. For some reason that's what the organ grinder and the monkeys would have you do, be careful for what you buy into to! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pumphy_man Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said: Considering the defections,the prefix 'Not So' might have been appropriate for the top grouping. Some teams are missing so which league are Thornton and Glenrothes in ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitburn Vale Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 10 minutes ago, pumphy_man said: Some teams are missing so which league are Thornton and Glenrothes in ? Soz not a very good foto shot i put up !! Glenrothes and Thornton are in the South Premier. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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