The Ginger Prince Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Spurs have been superb against Everton, Pickford is stopping this from being an embarrassment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Everton were fucking awful. Agree about Pickford, who was probably the only decent player. Koeman just doesn't have a clue how to play against a team that pack the midfield and press high. As for Spurs, Eriksen is far and away one of the best players in the league, and they stretched the Everton defence with ease. The wing-backs hugged the touchline to give more space to the two behind the striker. Doesn't help when you have Martina acting as a 12th Spurs player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 That's how I see it. Usually when there's a controversial red card, you can just about see both sides of it, even if you agree with one or the other. Here, I can't see how that can possibly be anything other than a red. I think it's a shocking challenge. That was my thought as well. It must be one of the most nailed-on red cards I've ever seen and I genuinely can't see how some people can think it was otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 29 minutes ago, accies1874 said: Everton were fucking awful. Agree about Pickford, who was probably the only decent player. Koeman just doesn't have a clue how to play against a team that pack the midfield and press high. As for Spurs, Eriksen is far and away one of the best players in the league, and they stretched the Everton defence with ease. The wing-backs hugged the touchline to give more space to the two behind the striker. Doesn't help when you have Martina acting as a 12th Spurs player. Koeman keeps switching between a back 3 and a back 4. Today, he reverted to a back 4. The change of formation and rotation is hindering consistency. Given the money that Everton have spent, the team is under-performing. One major problem is that have a few young and inexperienced strikers who can't replace Lukaku. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmothecat2 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 I don't see that as a red card, he went in to win a ball in a situation where he was entitled to go for it. The way the ball bounced gave the keeper the advantage but he had already committed himself by that point. Unless players shouldn't try to win balls in that situation you are effectively saying he should be sent off for doing nothing wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds are Forever Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 4 hours ago, Jmothecat2 said: He's got to be entitled to go for that, he can't seriously not attempt to win the ball purely because the keeper is also going for it too. His studs weren't up and that's not a reckless challenge. Came on this thread fully expecting to find the 'he's entitled to go for it' line trotted out, and wasn't disappointed. For some reason this phrase only seems to apply to strikers diving in late on the goalkeeper, but not anywhere else on the park. I'm not sure why this entitlement means they are allowed to kick someone in the head. Of course he's entitled to go for it, like every player is entitled to go for anything anywhere on the park, it's a nothing statement. The point is if he decides to go for it, he has to make the judgement call of whether it is appropriate to do so, and what the consequences will be if he is late. He made a wrong judgement call and was correctly sent off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch road Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Jmothecat2 said: I don't see that as a red card, he went in to win a ball in a situation where he was entitled to go for it. The way the ball bounced gave the keeper the advantage but he had already committed himself by that point. Unless players shouldn't try to win balls in that situation you are effectively saying he should be sent off for doing nothing wrong. Idiot found Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Jmo's still doing this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds are Forever Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 7 minutes ago, Jmothecat2 said: I don't see that as a red card, he went in to win a ball in a situation where he was entitled to go for it. The way the ball bounced gave the keeper the advantage but he had already committed himself by that point. Unless players shouldn't try to win balls in that situation you are effectively saying he should be sent off for doing nothing wrong. Again, that is a meaningless phrase, when is a player not entitled to make a challenge? Judging whether to make a tackle is part of the skill of tackling, you can't just kick someone in the head or make a knee high tackle and justify it by effectively saying 'the ball was there to be won.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinkle Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Ive never put any poster on P&B on ignore however anyone claiming that wasnt a stick on red card for Mane, is sailing very fuckin close to the wind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul-r-cfc Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 As has been said, literally no defence for that. Whether he means it or not, he's studded the keeper in the fucking face! What else can one expect?Doesn't help anyone when even after countless replays, so called experts are still willing to claim it's an incorrect decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grass Is Greener. Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Nice goal from Stoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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buchan30 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 That's the 1st of me seeing it and it's a red all day long. Feet and studs up, head height (with the keeper jumping as well). And the pace at which it happens, all point to it being a reckless challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Koeman keeps switching between a back 3 and a back 4. Today, he reverted to a back 4. The change of formation and rotation is hindering consistency. Given the money that Everton have spent, the team is under-performing. One major problem is that have a few young and inexperienced strikers who can't replace Lukaku. I heard/read someone say that if you asked Koeman why he played a back 3, his answer would be because everyone else is. He played 3 players today who all want to play in the same position. He tried to shore up the left wing at half-time - fair enough. However, it was to the detriment of any attacking play that could've materialised as he isn't at his best going forward. Sigurdsson is also wasted on the flank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 That's the 1st of me seeing it and it's a red all day long. Feet and studs up, head height (with the keeper jumping as well). And the pace at which it happens, all point to it being a reckless challenge. It wasn't really a challenge or a tackle though, and it wasn't head height tbf the goalie is crouched down a bit, he doesn't even see the keeper. There was an incident exactly the same in the WBA game the other week supposedly and it was given as a yellow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Prince Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Everton were fucking awful. Agree about Pickford, who was probably the only decent player. Koeman just doesn't have a clue how to play against a team that pack the midfield and press high. As for Spurs, Eriksen is far and away one of the best players in the league, and they stretched the Everton defence with ease. The wing-backs hugged the touchline to give more space to the two behind the striker. Doesn't help when you have Martina acting as a 12th Spurs player. Yep, especially like you say when a team such as Spurs press so high, to counter against them you need pace in the side. A 3 of Rooney Sigurdsson & Klassen give you anything but pace. Eriksen is superb, I love watching him play. Gets himself into wee pockets of space effectively time and again. No surprise he's up there with the most assists in the league last 2 years, just behind de Bruyne I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iminavest Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Darren Fletcher has been fantastic so far tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinkle Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 I would love to have played with Mkhitaryan. The chances he puts on a plate for strikers is tremendous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmothecat2 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 He's clearly gone for the ball, the judgement he made in real time it didn't look like it was going to be dangerous, that it ended up being shouldn't be what makes the challenge red card worthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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